🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@bonifartius Thank you :)

@andymoose

As far as I am concerned you and me have been perfectly civil, I dont think there is any issue there. David just came in with some toxicity, but thankfully he had the good sense to walk away before he carried on too long.

@DavidM_yeg

@andymoose

Yes agreed, it was less strict than how you describe it in athens for sure.

Oddly that goes to prove my point though, there were lockdowns of varying degrees across the globe, maybe were extremely strict, others not quite that bad. But little down lockdowns were in effect globally in one sense of the word or another (restriction of movement, events, and jobs.. basically gatherings).

I am not claiming they were a bad idea mind you(David seems to have some really twisted assumptions in his head about people and what they are arguing)... only that those lockdowns will cause temporary releif that ultimately will go away once lifted and goes well beyond simply masks or hygienic and other more casual sorts of measures.

@DavidM_yeg

@lonelyowl

Awww thanks, you know just what I like :)

@andymoose

> People would be approached by the police when out and it was literally a "papers please" thing.

We actually literally had something similar in the USA. We had special vaccine passports you would have to show to be in most public places for a bit. Thankfully that didnt last long.

But yea, there is plenty of room for misinterpritation of what the term means. Thats why I went out of my way to explicitly claim what it **I** meant by the word. So regardless of what it means to anyone else, it was clearly stated what it meant in the context I am using it.

I care very little for semantics beyond someone understanding me when I speak. So once that word was explained any confusion became a non-issue as far as I am concerned. I likely wouldnt care if I were to use some other determine to describe the same thing. But we all know David here cares more about using it as a weapon to derail any productive conversation rather than any actual concerns over semantics and understanding eachother.

@DavidM_yeg

@DavidM_yeg

I do find it funny though that you ignore all the actual facts when talking to an actual published COVID research scientists.... really showing your colors there.

But yea I'm the one being inflammatory, LOL

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

I have clearly described what i mean by lockdown, and you aking up fictional things I said to win is childish to say the least.

I defined lockdown clearly as:

> Just to be clear, no this isnt what I mean. I am talking about where movement itself is restricted (such as cancelling public events or shutting down non essential workplaces)

The fact that your having a tantrum about lockdown literally meaning restricted public movement and shutting down businesses is laughable.

You are right, we are done here.

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

What do you mean, that was already addressed in my other response here:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/111501356942640679

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

This seems valid, my mistake. I was reading from the wrong column.

However now looking at the correct data it seems, and unspuprisingly, that 2022-023 has been the deadliest flu season on record for alberta. This goes to show the fundemental point, lockdowns will result in decline in numbers but **not** elimination. Once lock downs are removed the rates will come back up and even slyrocket and over time result in no real gains.

To put it in some perspective the 2023 flu

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-flu-season-deaths-1.6797449

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

How does you being the chairman of a chrch congregation give you knowledge about **world-wide** movement restrictions? We are talking about how the world still being in lock down up to the start of the season (including in the USA) being a factor. Not to mention we havent even addressed when alberta lockdowns might have ended, as I dont have that info.

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

> unless by ‘lockdown’ you mean ‘required masks in schools and public places’ in which case we shouldn’t continue this conversation.

Just to be clear, no this isnt what I mean. I am talking about where movement itself is restricted (such as cancelling public events or shutting down non essential workplaces)

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

In the USA the lockdown was maintained until August 2020. So the lockdown basically existed right up to the flu season. Were you expecting the flu to instantly spike back to baseline levels once lock down ends? It takes time for viruses to start spreading again, it isnt an instant process you know, and with the lockdowns literally ending right as flu season begins means you are going to have a much reduced incident.

Also you are flat out wrong about the 0 flu cases.

> It wasn’t just that a somewhat obscure strain was eliminated… here in Alberta, we skipped an entire ‘flu season, with 0 lab recorded cases in 20-21.

Alberta's 2021 flu season had 2,906 confirmed flu cases resuling in 523 hospitalizations. Anf thats just **confirmed** cases.

https://www.alberta.ca/influenza-the-flu

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

If alberta wasnt in lockdown at a time that most of the world was, sadly thats not a great example either. You were more than likely benefiting off the rest of the worlds lock down and your own commons-sense methods likely helped to keep you further isolated but only protected you to the extreme you did due to worldwide lock downs.

@andymoose

@DavidM_yeg

I am not sure how you think the mutation of strains forming more varied genoms less able to respond to a single vaccine is an example of the OP.

Obviously the OP's later comments about engaging more with preventative care is certainly valid, the idea that we can eliminate viruses that way is simply not factual and an example of a flu recombinating into new forms (strains) is hardly a good example.

If you want a good example of preventative care eliminating a virus you can look at small pox, which we did eliminate and not just rearrange the strains.

The problem is neither the flu nor small pox is representative of COVID so sadly while we knew small pox could be eliminated once the science understoof the problem we likewise know COVID (like most viruses) cant be with current tech.

@andymoose

@Rado1 The math question type captcha has been easier to circumvent than traditional ones for a long time now.

@DavidM_yeg

Ahh ok, yea in that case the yamagata strain was just replaced with two new active strains.

Nothing unusual about strains being replaced with new strains, that happens no matter what we do and seen several strains of covid be eliminated by that metric.

@andymoose

I recently bought an Ercu sweater only to realize ercu is exactly the same color as white after you use too much bleach on it and it turns yello.... shoulda went with a different color.

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