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Also, lets face it the overwhelming majority of people are completely incapable of critical thinking and understanding. Parents do a pretty horrible job at teaching kids critical thinking skills, most just want to indoctrinate and brain wash their kids to believe what they believe, free thinking is the last thing most parents want from their kids. Hell some parents might even punish you for disagreeing with them if their strict.

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I would argue that school is **not** about teaching facts at all, it is about

1) teaching kids how to learn
2) Getting kids to **understand** the world.

Their ability to recognize facts will come as an extension of those two, but is not directly what should be taught.

That said, yes school should teach **every** understanding of life... We have philosophy class to teach about morals, sex ed to teach us about reproductive systems and how they work, history, the arts... I mean what is it schools **shouldnt** teach a kid to understand, I frankly cant think of anything. Hell we even have classes that teach about religion.

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@niclas

Most of my guys are contractors but to me that doesnt make a huge difference.

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@berkes

No the definition is the same, just more specific in software.

Here is the definition of software ergonomics (soft ergonomics) which is clearly in line with the general definition:

Soft ergonomics is the study of designing virtual interfaces that cater towards the wellness of the human body, its emotional and cognitive abilities.

Soft ergonomics is a subset of ergonomics and human factors engineering, a larger body of the study of human abilities for designing equipment and devices that fit the human body. Soft ergonomics can be thus defined as the ability of any virtual interface(computer application, website, ATM options, parking meter etc.) to make it comfortable for the user to use the interface while working on the user's request.

@berkes

> You have a completely different (wrong?) definition of ergonomics in software. Aesthetics is *part of* ergonomics.

No it isnt. How pretty something looks, when it has no effect on usability itself, does **not** fall under ergonomics. Ergonomics is defined as the following:

"Ergonomics is a body of knowledge about human abilities, human limitations and other human characteristics that are relevant to design. Ergonomic design is the application of this body of knowledge to the design of tools, machines, systems, tasks, jobs and environments for safe, comfortable and effective human use"

Therefore things like "this can be done in less lines of code" would be ergonomics, but "this looks pretty but has no other advantages" is not. Ergonomics is always about usability, not how pretty something is.

> As is a **readable and expressive syntax, an effective standard library**, good tooling, and so on.

If that described what we are talking about then yes, I'd agree it is an ergonomics issue. However the two syntaxes have absolutely no different in their readability or expressiveness. Which is why I say this has nothing to do with ergonomics. If one syntax actually was easier to read or write then I might agree, but as pointed out both are equal and even have the smae number of key presses. Actually if you want to get technical the python version needs one less key pres (the dot) and thus would be the more ergonomic of the two.

> having to read backwards from deeply nested function calls is neither of these. And, indeed, it also looks ugly, but that's the least of the concerns.

You dont have to "read backwards", you are reading forwards with that syntax. It is only "backwards" if you consider your preferred syntax as forward, which is arbitrary.

Its like saying "Joe rides the horse" is a bad sentence because its backwards and "The horse is ridden by joe" is the correct one because its forwards. When in reality they are just reverse order of eachother and neither is the privileged "forward" version.

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My goto is usually SNES with NES as a close second.

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