🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@jaykuo

Objectively its bad, real bad. Food prices alone can tell you that.

Perception: Whoever has their politician in office thinks its going good, whoever doesnt will think its going bad. Despite things still being bad when it switches everyone will flip-flop

@trinsec We cant specify specific mastodon versions we pull from since it is pulled from many versions. We can only have our own version, and it must be something less than mastodon's latest version in order to be listed in directories.

@ambihelical Huh? We arent mastodon we are a fork. Mastodon's version has no relationship to us.

@skyblond The problem with logical systems is they are just as bias as their axioms dictate as well.

In any logical system you have your axioms (antecedent, known facts), logical rules, and your consequent (conclusion).

If your axiom includes "All black people are violent" you will have logically valid, yet racist, conclusions.

Even if you create a logic rule that is bias it can be an issue, for example "if skin color is not pale, and income is low, then high liklihood of violence" would be a rule that would add racial bias as well.

Just FYI I have a script that auto-unfollows anyone who unfollows me. Its not intended to be retaliation or anything wrong. I just prefer two-way interactions. So if you got unfollowed please dont take it personally.

@skyblond Im not sure limiting types of information is the right ethical solution. I want AI thatis free to talk about anything but the facts it state should not have racial bias applied to its reasoning, for example.

@admin I hope you feel better soon.

@dangrsmind

> is being ethical something that can be quantified and measured?

In theory yes, in practice, sorta.

Being ethical is simply the act of reducing suffering and maximizing happiness. Since these are just chemical states in ones mind it could, in theory, be quantified if you could scan everyone brain effected. In practice we cant do that so we have to observe people to infer their happiness. But yes it is objective in that sense.

The bigger issue is moral intent vs moral action, both have their problems... Moral intent doesnt matter here much if it doesnt produce moral action, so we dont even need to think much on that as it isnt relevant here. Moral action on the other hand could be qualntified as said easrlier but even if we could scan brains part of the problem is you'd have to quantify the long term effect and compare to what that effect would be if you did nothing. Since we dont have time machines we cant provide an actual comparison anyway.

That said subjectively it can be infered.

> I'm thinking of Rice's Theorem which many people in the AGI community like to discount but no one has ever convinced me about that.

Rice's theorem is valid.

> Merry Christmas, I haven't even started drinking yet.

Merry Christmas to you too, have a wonderful one!

@dangrsmind

Or protect us against the unethical ones.

In the case of AGI maybe its ok if we build some that are unethical as long as we build a system where the ethical AIs can keep the unethical ones in check.

So I started a company and received funding to build the next generation of #AI / #agi

I know there are a lot of fears around AI, and I share in most of them. As such a top priority will be for me to address the ethical considerations. I am still branstorming how that should look but I want it to be an open forum where everyone can contribute to solve the ethical considerations.

For now I'd love to hear input from people on how one could build a community to address and solve ethical concerns in AI / AGI

@FluentInFinance Also keep in mind that since I've been here many years I probably have a larger percentage of my followers that are now idle than someone who is newer.

@FluentInFinance Well for starters you arent likely to see many of the likes as a lot of times that delays on displaying across servers. As for comments, not sure what you mean I've had some of the highest reshared posts on the entire network. I was the very first person to ever get a post on YCombinator for example which had huge engagement.

Depends on the post though, boring things wont get huge engagement per set.

Also keep in mind your on mastodon.social which heavily blocks most of the fediverse (not as bad as some servers though) so by default you cant see a lot of comments or posts (And people cant see you).

@johnhamelink i deed

@SteelFolk It was a gender neutral use of "man" then :)

@SteelFolk Its a very small step between gosh and golly, that man is on a slipper slope to say the least :)

If you say "Golly!" instead of "Fuck!" you are sus as hell.

@realcaseyrollins Im surprised there is anything in there you wouldnt agree with. Supporting people in how they express their masculinity or femininity seems pretty noncontroversial to me.