🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@swrogers If it worked well it certainly could be... I cant imagine how it could be good though, even a human would have a hard time knowing what some food was by just looking.

@swrogers ive used cronometer and myfitnesspal... dont like MFP but ti is very popular. It didnt do micros in a way i liked and had other issues i didnt like... CM wasnice.

For what CM does it does it well and I'm happy. I'm only looking at alternatives to see what im missing, like this photo feature. I also would like better reporting or the ability to share progress.

@mekkaokereke I dont think this is an accurate description of their motivations based on getting to know these people and talking with them.

That said I do agree that most people are woefully misinformed about their perceptions of MLK.

@swrogers yea everyone has the barcode though... The snapping a picture feature is the one feature that if it worked well I would migrate just for that

@swrogers how accurate do you find the "visual snap" feature?

@swrogers Oh thanks, ill take a deeper dive and see how it feels.

By the way cronometer has really good keto support and adds some very nice calculations on how many carbs you can eat that you can customize to any of the usual ways of calculating, and quite a few custom ways.

I myself have it fixed where i get a certain minimum carbs and then depending on how active i was (measured objectively from my garmin watch) will determine how many bonus carbs i can have that day (heavy cardio days allows for more carbs). Youc an also customize how the protein calculation is effected by this in various ways.

@swrogers I just checked, didnt sign up yet. But under their feature list they say they track macros but no mention of micros. Do they track micros? Seems no.

@ambihelical

Well the point is the fear itself isnt what you have a right to be able to avoid... there are plenty of indirect things that cause fear you might have a right to not have in your world (in a fair world) but that is not the same as saying you have a right to not be exposed to things that scare you.

@illandan

@swrogers as long as it covers micros id be down for checking it out. That alone is hard to find. Does it handle micros ?

@freeschool yea :)

I feel like if we are going to change "mailman" to "mailperson" for reasons of inclusion, then "pussycat" needs to be changed to "genitalcat" for the same reason.

@niclas If such tooling existed where i could analyze food id be all for it.

I literally call the dude out for wasting everyones time by trying to argue a point I wasnt trying to make and his immediate response is to pretend im wasting everyones time by not honoring his demand and then blocking.... Gotta love the idiocy from liberals when it comes to criticism, garunteed someone gets triggered every damn time.

@HeavenlyPossum

Seriously you get called out for wasting everyones time by going down a tangent not related to what is being discussed and try and deflect and tell me **im** the one wasting time... thats cute.

As i said im happy to defend my opinion, but since its unrelated to the thread here and not the point i made we simply can do so in a seperate thread. Start a post and tag me and ill be happy to discuss it there and actually go through the data behind my opinion if thats really what you want.

Just dont waste my time and everyone elses by arguing something here that isnt relevant to what is being discussed.

@juergen_hubert @malwaretech @GossiTheDog

@HeavenlyPossum

Yes it wa hand waiving because as I said countless times proving my opinion to others has no relevance to the point i made int he threads. So i need not waste the time to go down an irrelevant tangent to the discussion.

As I said we can go actually intot he data and i dont mind doing that in a seperate thread where that is the topic discussed. But is is a distraction from my comment and point so would be a wastge to go over here in this thread.

@juergen_hubert @malwaretech @GossiTheDog

@HeavenlyPossum

> I’m not asking about the chart, I’m asking about your claim that lower US life expectancy despite higher healthcare spending is likely the product of allegedly different lifestyle choices. That was your claim, above.

There are multiple claims I made, two of relevance here.

1) That the chart would be rejected as bad and misleading science due to lack of normalization.

2) My **opinion** as to what the likely interpritation would be if the OP had done correct science.

You are asking about #2, how I formed my opinion, and then think your being smart by holding it to scientific rigor. The part that is my opinion need not hold to scientific rigor, that the nature of opinions. But should it be disproven by scientific rigor then I should, of course, incorperate that science into forming my opinion, and if the evidence is strong a reasonable person should change their opinion to match it.

As I said I am happy to explore the science that would form my opinion, but its a tangent that has no value to point #1 which is the only important point I made in this thread

As stated regardless of if my opinion is correct I have suffiuciently shown #1 and that wouldnt change even if my opinion in #2 is wrong. So while I know you'd like to go into the weeds and argue #2 that has no value to the point being made here, but happy to explore it if thats where you want to go.

> While Max Roser doesn’t explicitly explain his methodology behind the chart—I don’t know that he didn’t normalize the data—he shares your neoliberal faith in blaming systemic effects on individual lifestyle choices.

We do know he didnt normalize the data, this is evident by how the data is labeled. If it were normalized this would be reflected in the chart.

> I asked you to explain your assertion and it seems that it’s based on unfounded assumptions.

I didnt tell you what the data was behind my opinion. Only that the overwhelming data seemed obvious and hard to deny. So you can argue i didnt provide data, but you drawing the conclusion its an assumption is clearly contrary to what I explicitly stated. Something being obvious is not the same as an assumption, lack of scientific rigor is also not the same as an assumption. At best you can say its an opinion that is not sufficiently proven in this conversation, that again is not the same as an assumption

> Again, you made a positive and probabilistic assertion about a causal relationship between the chart’s results and lifestyle that you have consistently resisted trying to demonstrate.

See my above, I expressed my opinion which was secondary and really of no real importance to the porimary point of bad-science being made. Yes I refused to prove that because as I have stated many times it is neither relevant to my point to prove it, nor neccesary for one to prove their opinions to others, people can and do have opinions that do not have all the elements of scientific rigor as previously explained, that does not imply it isnt a fact based or evidence based opinion however, we simply didnt waste time going into the facts as they have no relevance to my point.

@GossiTheDog @juergen_hubert @malwaretech