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@randahl ID he cant even keep his mouth shut to save himself 83 million imagine how he acts when it isnt his money he is loosing.

Interesting fact of the day. The movie Big is the only movie on the Disney platform promoting pedophilia in a comedy format.

@Raccoon

One prime example I can give to the nuance is your statement about variants. You seem to be under the false impression that quarantines would have resulted in fewer variants around today. The reality is quarantines can in fact increase the number of variants due to the conditions needed for new variants to become established in the population, which is assisted by small isolated groups of people more than large interconnected populations where there is no isolation.

It again comes down to the nuance of how new variants come into existence and become established, its not as simple as people think where it just happens spontaneously and then it exists. Variants usually require multiple mutations occurring in a series and need to become established so they must **locally** out compete the dominant strain and reach critical numbers before being released to the general population.

Keep in mind this is very different than other types of viruses, where recombination can occur in a single step.

@mcnado

@Raccoon

> As someone who was actually crippled by the disease, I do think that you underestimate how serious a situation things were in 2020, especially when you say there was overreaction and panic.

I am sorry you've been crippled by the disease. :(

I didnt say it was overhyped at the start of the disease. Depending where in the timeline of the disease we are talking there were points where I would agree, particularly in the early days, it was at times under-hyped. It wasnt until it became political that the misinformation and over-hyping kicked in, which didnt come until later in the disease lifecycle.

More quarantine was not the answer, never was. But better hospital care and supporting care certainly would have saved lives. There is always room for improvement.

> There were people in the government literally arguing that we should allow the entire population to be infected so that we could move on as quickly as possible, while doctors were screaming at them that there was no evidence that people couldn't have repeated serious infections, and that we didn't know what the long-term consequences would be.

Actually I am one of the scientists that invented one of the algorithms that is fairly instrumental in this part of the discussion. I worked on a model for the DoD many years ago that models disease proliferation in populations. It can model the effect of vaccine, quarantine, and natural immunity.

To be clear, no doctors were not screaming for more quarantine, I was literaly one of those people part of the discussion (and fairly well known in the scientific community a a result). I can tell you as an authority as one of those Scientists, no we werent all screaming for more quarantine. In fact it was far more nuanced than that.

@mcnado

Im wathcing the movie Big. Thereis a scene where a bunch of corporate management are in a room having a meeting. There is only one woman and half of them are smoking cigarettes in the meeting.

Such a strange thing to trigger my nostalgia, but i remember when it used to be that way.

@lonelyowl yes, waking up naked next to your 2nd cousin usually does the trick.

@Hyolobrika

The key here is intent vs what they can do... like protecting the system from actual dictators 100%... preventhing someone who just thinks dictatorship is a cool idea, but otherwise cant actually become one... like sure thats sleezy but ok.

@volkris @realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins

Not relevant when it comes to humantarian aide anyway... and considering the fact that israel has been acting like absolute savages the more this progresses their excuses are running thin.

@volkris

Exactly, I dont think we should elect someone like that, but im not interested int hought policing either.

@Hyolobrika @realcaseyrollins

@peterdrake Going to have to see who is on the ballot. Any of the other choices for sure, but need to see who those wind up being after the primaries.

@volkris

Thats what im saying, im fine with a constitution amendment making dictators illegal, im not ok with a law/amendment that makes it illegal to hold office simply for your opinions on dictatorship.

@Hyolobrika @realcaseyrollins

@Hyolobrika

Right so you think they should be barred on their opinions, which is why I disagree with you. Obviously you should make dictators illegal in your constitution, which should be democratically free to be revoked and modified. But that is not the same as saying that you should bar a politician from office simply for WANTING to be a dictator. In that case we just shouldnt elect them.

Thought policing is about as fascist as you can get.. blocking people because of their **opinions** from the right to a fair and free election is just a horrible idea.

@volkris @realcaseyrollins

@volkris

The fact that its more than one friend doesnt really change things. Our friends generally represent people of some similar character, and thus tend to agree and show patterns that do not reflect the general population.

The point is, Fascism is used quite often and found to be a valuable term among the overwhelming majority of political science experts. No doubt some may not like the term as well. I mean some electrical engineers hate using "j" for the imaginary number too :)

@Hyolobrika @realcaseyrollins

I feel like I may be the only one who gets this double reference... but LAWL

@Hyolobrika

Actuallyt he definition both of us provided are pretty much in agreement. The big difference is rather small, yours said "dictator" when it should have said "autocratic" which includes dictators.

@volkris @realcaseyrollins

As if i needed another reason not to vote for Biden (no i wont be voting Trump either).

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