🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@mewmew

About the same number as the total number of good candidates holding seats. Like i said, americans arent too good at voting for good candidates when they come along.

@mur2501 @stux

@mur2501

Thats not even remotely true.. Our president has very little power, less than the other two branches of government. He cant really do all that much legally speaking, not on his own anyway.

@stux

@jeder

Yup, like i said, I dont expect any good quality candidate to ever get more than 1 electoral vote.. americans would never let a good candidate actually stand a chance.

Doesnt really change anything though.

@stux @mur2501

@stux

Eh I dunno, the "4 years of hell" seems to have come mostly from dealing with how the liberals respond to trump (constant exaggeration and lying, which is sad considering trump sucks and doesnt need exaggerating), than due to trump himself.

Most of the actual effects that I have had to deal with due to trump's policies have been positive for me (and many people). But dealing with liberals throwing fits every time you said "trump is bad but not that bad" has been far more a source of hell than anything Trump has actually done.

@mewmew @mur2501

@mur2501

Its weird, but not unusual really. Americans are weird like that, we are extremist when it comes to politics so variety of opinion isnt something you'd see get much noise.

With that said, the other candidates do wind up in the news.. plenty to find on them if yo usearch the news section of google.

@stux

@mewmew

Your statement didn't actually state why/if I was wrong.. We have 4 main parties, those parties get on our ballots every year, they are all equally eligible for president and can win a presidential seat under all the same rules as any other candidate.

So yes, we absolutely have four main parties. I never made any claim as to how often or how likely they are to win, so not sure what that has to do with anything. As i covered americans rarely vote for good candidates, so sure, any good choice is going to be an uphill battle. But that really doesnt in the elast invalidate what I said. Just because americans by their nature arent likely to vote for good candidates it doesnt mean those candidates suddenly stop existing.

@mur2501 @stux

@stux

members of a party in the USa will often side with their party. This is done partly because if they dont then they may not get votes next year since presumably it was people registered with their party who voted for them and thus the party ideals reflect the ideals of their voting base.

But thats about as far as any pressure from their party goes.

@mur2501

@stux

Certainly a reasonable approach, talk to the people to get your ideas, not the news...

the problem is you are talking about americans here, they are pretty much the bottom of the barrel when it comes to an american seeing the reality around them accurately.

So you are largely getting your information from people who in turn themselves rely strongly on our own news to form their opinions and very fiercely defend and adopt world views out of bias for extremism support of whatever side their own.

So in this case going to americans isnt likely to give you an accurate picture either, simply because americans arent really any better than the news at conveying things accurately in the political arena (or any for that matter).

@mur2501

@admin It has nothing to do with chicken/egg idea...

Americans have ideology that prevents them from supporting good ideas, their idology is extremism and good ideas and good people dont reflect extremism.

So the very nature of the american people right now is that a good candidate with good reasonable ideas that address all the concenrs of both sides... well those candidates arent going to get much of a vote.. but thats hardly a reason to go "Good candidates have a slim chance of winning so i will make it a point to never vote for good candidates!"

@stux

as for if it matters what side you vote.. not sure what that means.. you vote for people not parties. In the american system the party doesnt make a huge difference as there are no coalitions as in other governments.

@mur2501

@stux

It probably looks that way because your watching paid, commercial, services (most of the news) to tell you a story? what it "looks like" is going to reflect whatever the commercial interests are of those organizations. The goal of news organizations (and this includes Dutch news) is not to tell accurate impartial news, its to make money. You make more money off some narratives than you do off others.

@mur2501

@mur2501

Nope, Democrat, Republican, Green, and Libertarian would be our 4 main parties. But sometimes candidates also get on the ballot without a party at all.

@stux

@frayoshi Great to have you here. Look forward to chatting sometime. Hit me up anything if you get bored or have any questions.

Good luck!

@happymoomoo

I wouldnt go so far as to praise trump as some sort of exceptional politician while deriding Biden.

Biden sucks and what you said isnt too far from the truth.. Trump doesn't look much better. Dont get me wrong Trump did some impressive and good things here and there, his handling of the economy was surprisingly well done. but he has just as many black marks as biden in other ways, his handling of the environment, for example, was pretty horrific.

Neither candidate deserves much praise as an exceptional candidate and Biden is just as bad as Trump and vice versa.. well Biden is marginally worse than trump I guess, but not by that much really, they both suck.

@stux

@mur2501 @stux

Howie Hawkins and Jo Jorgenson, and they actually look like wonderful candidates.

@admin

Translation "The chance of the general public voting for a high-quality ethical candidate is 0 this year"..

Well yea sure, the american people are kinda brain dead when it comes to voting good high quality candidates in.. not sure what that has to do with anything.. doesnt change the fact that there are 4 people/parties on the ballot and they all have the same conditions on winning and all 4 are equally eligible.

@stux

@stux

No, that's not correct. Any of the candidates on the ballot can be the next president. If you get enough votes you become president, and all 4 are eligible to vote for them, so all 4 are eligible for president.

@mur2501

@stux

Not sure what trump has to do with anything either.. there are more than 2 candidates on the ballot for president, there are 4, more in some states....

@mur2501

@mur2501

Huh? There are 4 presidential candidates on the ballots this year, not 2....

@stux