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@matrix did he even say he was actually running? Is he on any ballots?

@timorl do you have any specific quotes from the report which explicit state that there was evidence of collusion? I will happily change my mind if you can find me a specific quote from the report that overturns the quote i already provided.

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@timorl yea there was one he actually hosted. I dont recall the event though I just remember reading about how allt he people thought the food sucked :)

@timorl oh yes, thats correct.. the report itself didnt really address the obstruction of justice part as much in terms of any final conclusions..

But the fact of the matter is the report itself very explicitly states there was no cooperation between trump and russia.

@timorl Oh no, I do at scale. I am not justifying it at scale at all. I am not condoning the action, I dont like when other politicians do it either honestly.. But what I'm saying is it is the norm and we are talking about one event he happened to host and made him very little money. You have to keep in mind the amount of money made hosting a shindig and catering it is completely insignificant to someone like trump. Like yea I get that it isnt a violation and shouldnt be allowed, but its not really a good example of trump trying to syphon money off of the government either.

To put things into perspective the salary trump denied as president is likely significantly larger than the amount of money he made hosting a single event at his resotort. I dont condone it, but i find it insignificant in the grand scheme of things is all.

@timorl I provided one quote from barr, the other is directly from the report. Both assert the same point, that no collusion was found.

@khird Well no, im not talking about ballot access alone, or even bragging rights.

Most people will not vote for a third party because they feel voting for a aprty with a small chance of winning is a waste of a vote. Therefore by voting third party you increase the number of people that voted for the party and thus with larger portion of support people who use the above logic as a reason not to vote third party no longer have a valid excuse and thus will be more likely to vote third party int eh future.

So while ballot support is one element worth considering the argument is entierly valid even if that factor is not considered at all.

Remember the USA has changed primary parties 9 times in its lifetime. In all cases the changes following non-linear trajectories where the third party had almost no support, there is a marginal increase in support and that increase quickly snowballs, breaking the third party mentalitya nd resulting in a third party replacing a primary party. This has been the pattern in all historic cases.

So by increasing the support of a third party you effect actual good by encouraging the transition of the third party to a primary party due to the perception of the general public, which can have results in only a single election year based on historical observations.

@timorl My understanding is that the confirmation is largely due to the fact that they are exposed to ifnormation that is secret. For example someone advising the president on say war would need to know about troop deployments that are otherwise kept secret. It largely a trust issue than a power issue as I understand it.

@timorl Also no, I really dont know if there is anywhere else for the secrete service agents to live, though its not exactly limited to SS. Politicians when not on the hill often work out of their private residences and properties and this often means charging aids and others as well not just the SS.

@timorl Yes he did it while he was VP and its actively done by most politicians. It is the norm.

But im not sure there is much difference between working out of your home and demanding government agents pay to be there, and working out of your corporate business which you effectively use as a home and do the same.

For me at least the difference between these two are semantic at best.

@khird I think this misses half the picture. There are two primary effects your vote may have and both need to be considered in tandem..

1) what is the chance of you casting a decisisve vote

2) what effect does it have on future voting if you increase the percentage voted for a third party..

If you vote is not decisive then the effect your vote has is limited to #2.. if you vote primary party then your vote is telling people "hey primary party will always win, third party doesn't stand a chance, don't vote third party"..

So in short when your vote is not decisive you are ultimately voting whether you want to increase the chance of a third party win and higher voter support in the future or not.

Since the chance of your vote being deciscisive is so astronomically unlikely no matter who you vote for we can rule out #1 entirely, it doesn't even matter if your vote stands a slightly higher chance of being decisive for a primary party than a third party because its still so statistically small as to be effectively impossible.

Therefore #2 is the only actual consideration in play... do you wish to perpetuate a two party system and encourage it remain two party into the future, or not.

@timorl I have read the mueller report, and that is not true.. The following are direct quotes from either the report itself or the special investigators giving the report. What is clear is that while the report did determine russia interfered in the election there was no evidence to suggest Trump was aware of or coordinate with russia in doing so. Their interference was of their own accord. Here are the quotes directly from the investigators and the report itself:

"“The investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities,” this is a direct quote from the report iself, specifically from the four page summary of the report.

Moreover Barr directly addressed the question of obstruction of justice and determined trump did not commit obstruction of justice during the investigation, here is the quote for that "[Investigators] have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.”"

@timorl #9 was clearly and explicitly stated in his acceptance speech at the DNC. I added it because I heard him say as I watched that speech.

I dont really find anything trump has done that even comes close to the points listed for biden.. I dont recall him ever using his political power to murder us citizens without due process for example. Nor can I think of any acts trump has passed or try to pass that comes anywhere even remotely close to the level of harm to minorities women and LGBT as those I listed from Biden/harris... Its hard for me to see how Trump can be comparable at all to those 9 points honestly.

6 is my personal opinion. though keep in mind biden is a personal friend of the family. He has been over my family home for dinner and spent the night. so I may have more of a personal insight in this regard than may be obvious from simply watching him onstage. But considering he often doesnt know where he is, seems confused, and says strange things, I think, at least to me, his failing mental health is obvious.

Your welcome and its been a good conversation all around.

Keep in mind all this was about how biden and trump sucked, we havent even touched on the good parts of both, which is half the equation too.

@namark

No thats incorrect, it is not a psudorandom number generator. If it were it wouldnt work in the bidirectional way that it does.

Though you are correct that it is just a silly toy, and a magic trick. Its not doing anything special or revolutionary. It is a fun thought experiment and not much more...

But no, it is **not** a random number generator, the way it works is not simply generating random text as you go through the books, the process it uses is a bit more complicated than that. I wouldnt mind explaining how it actually works if your interested though.

Also yes you can find tons of content you never input yourself. In fact once you know how it works in theory you could take a phrase and write it on a piece of paper and calculate exactly where in the library that phrase would be, got to the website without ever entering the text and go to the location you calculated and you will find the text there, despite never having submitted the text to the site.

@theamazingweb @General

@deezthugs@liberdon.com I know you joke but this is actually quite literally the only reason I'm torn on who to vote for.. If i vote trump just imagine all the people I can piss off and cause them to storm out of my life (a good thing) with that sort of selfie!

I have lost a lot of friends these last 4 years by saying "Trump sucks but not that bad".. a lot. And every damn one of them I am much happier for no longer being in my life.. Can't get that sort of happiness if i dont take some trump voting selfies :)

@erou Happy to help

@pganssle

Yes I saw that as well.. that site is down this year and i have yet to find an alternative though sadly.

@arteteco

@erou In other words, where your vote determines who wins.. if you vote biden biden wins, if you vote trump trump wins... The chance of it coming down to your vote is virtually impossible and far less likely than the chance of a third party winning.