🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@unicornfarts

Lets try this a different way...

Can you list one point from the PDF that is worse than the drone murders carried out by Obama and Biden that murdered US citizens without trial or due process including a 16 year old child? (this is accepted fact and has not been denied).

Or for that matter anything even remotely as bad as actively opposing desegregation efforts, as Biden did, and backing segregationists? Bidens on words on why blacks shouldnt be in white schools? "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle", again cant think of a single thing he did that compares to this at all...

Or how about Harrises abused of women and LGBT putting them in physical danger (SESTA) as well as denying them their hormone medication in jail (putting their mental and even physical health in danger)... again, cant think of much trump did that comes close to this stuff.

A very long list of exagerated, manipulated, and lied about things that Donald trump did, especially considering none of them compare to the three points (and others) that Biden has done, pretty much leaves me back where I started.

@stux

@unicornfarts

::points to the part where he said "all that"::

Some of the things in that PDF are entierly fiction, others really arent that bad, and yet others are matched by equivelant and far worse examples from biden.

Lets take the very first point.. Trump said "The people that went to school with him,
they never saw him". While he did say this the PDF, no surprise, completely misrepresents and manipulates the situation. His statements were in reference to an article from the "The Sun" a New York paper which specifically expressed the same sentiment as Trump, that the list of people who were friends with him at columbia was short and its hard to find many people (at least at the time the article was written) who knew him back then. They didnt track down his roomate till sometime after as far as I know. The article can be read here: https://www.nysun.com/new-york/obamas-years-at-columbia-are-a-mystery/85015/

So lets be clear regardless of if the article is true, trump read an article in a news paper, he believed it, and he repeated it 5 years before he ran for president, thats all. That isn't lieing, though what it implies may be incorrect, even then being incorrect is not lieing.

So lets see, he didnt lie in his statement, he never actually said in that quote Obama didnt go to college or that Obama had lied about his education... literally nothing the PDF said about the quote was valid or impartial. Literally the guy thought it was weird that a newspaper did an investigation and couldnt find much info about obama's columbia days, thats it.

Now lets contrast that with biden.. Biden quite literally lied about **his** education, and it has been caught on video. He got elected and ultimate the only reason he is a politician today is because he lied to the voting public. Here is the video of that: https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/may/07/ad-watch-fact-checking-video-about-bidens-academic/

So we are only one point in and lets see: The PDF completely lied and distorted the facts of what Trump said, implying he lied (he didnt), and that he claimed obama lied about his education (he also didnt say that)... meanwhile we have biden who literally and quite signficiantly lied about his... hmmm. sorry points for effort but already a fail.

As I go through the PDF the pattern mostly holds true, clear bias nonsense with almost no desire to remain honest and impartial in the presentation of facts. That isn't to say that it doesn't touch on some valid points, but again none of them seem to come close to the things Biden has done, what few valid facts there are there is an equivalent example of Biden doing something far far worse.

@stux

@stux Biden is even worse than hillary.. People just joke about hillary killing. Biden literally did while in office, or at the very least was an accomplice and approved it.

Trump basically is a rude crass asshole who acts like one.. But he hasnt really actually done anything all that damaging as president. Biden on the other hand...

@Theverytechnologypony That is the percentage of popular vote, which is irrelevant when trying to determine who is int he lead or who is going to win.

@stux I never said it didnt matter, I just said there is nothing to be nervous about because your worst fears are already relealized :)

@stux Whats to be nervous about, the election has already garunteed that the worst possible president will be our president.

@Theverytechnologypony depends on what percentage your looking at.

@vnarek I voted Jo yea.

I think in mailin ballots will probably break even. They tend to very heavily lean republican but with all the stuff trump has been saying would probably cause them to be equal.

@vnarek no, closer to a toss-up right now with trump only in a slight lead.

@whirli Historically speaking mailin ballots strongly favor republicans. This is due to them being in rural areas far from polling places. This year it is hard to say though, trump may have tilted the scales to cause them to favor democrats this yea

@whirli Not exactly the numbers im seeing.. biden is currently at 224, so needs 42 to win. Of the states not called in that 224 that are leaning biden we have:

WI: 10
MI: 16
NV: 6
AZ: 11

That gives us 224+43 = 267

So at least according to politico even if he wins every state he is leading on, which are all marginal, he still wont win. Meanwhile the other states trump has a big lead in and there is a greater chance he will steal one from Biden than the other way around given the leads...

So certainly leaning trump, but also close and could go either way for sure.

@whirli Strictly speaking it is close. No winner is declared and anyone **could** win.. but two things to consider:

1) in the states that are undecided and Biden is in the lead, his lead is very small (less than 1% last I checked

2) in the states where trump has a lead the lead is sizable last I checked, 5% or so in most

3) Even if we just assume biden will take every state he is in the lead in and trump will take every state he is in the lead in, then trump would still win.

So while your right, it isnt decided yet, Trump is certainly pulling favorite.

Well looks like it is fairly likely we got another 4 years of trump. Only a few undecided states and in all of them except one trump has almost a 5 point lead...

@selea Yea it sucks, but hey at least its not biden!

@aminewatchehe was given a 28.6% chance of winning in the forecast the night before election day, see here: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

@djsumdog
My city has been rioting for months on and off. More worried about that than thr nation

@aminewatcher
Btw if we look at us exit polls for the past 50 years they have a 4% error rate, so they are actually pretty good at predicting

@aminewatcher
None of that suggests their wrong though. Percentages can and do change.

The question is how often is how often do the polls say 10% and the candidate wins? More than one out of 10?

@aminewatcher I would probably agree with your predictions.

Love the Jo thing to...

Though one thing.. the polls werent wrong. According to the data from polls Trump stood about a 14% chance of winning, so him winning does not suggest the data was wrong, 14% isnt 0%.