🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@mur2501

The EU doesnt define what is europe ya silly goose.

@Wetrix

@ricardo

Exactly open-source is more capitalism than lack of open-source.. The fact that market is free enough to let you undercut it at your discretion is the very capitalistic.

@frank87 @SteveTheDragon

@frank87

What confusion?

Your argument doesnt make sense to me

> What does ownership mean in this case. You can't own the Linux kernel. It's impossible to have control over it, as soon an it's on other people's devices.

Ownership refers to the person who owns the program. you then go into "impossible to control".. thats unrelated to ownership. Ownership does not require one have control over a thing, only that legally it is theirs.

In fact we have plenty of examples where we have seen this not to be true. Microsoft owns windows, and they have no trouble legally exercising that ownership.

in fact we have countless examples of someone else owning something you control, cars (rentals, leases), renting a home.

This whole argument tries to assert things that are true and easily disproven. so its a bad starting point.

> It's not the software that is property, it's the copyright.

copyright is just a technically term for "owning the software" so not really changes anything about what is being said here. Yes the person who **creates** the code has rights over how it is used, thats what is meant by ownership.

> That's the right, managed by all the licences. People working on free software, don't want to go into the business of monetising copyright.

This also is fundamentally incorrect. I open-source virtually all the code I write. I also make a lot of money directly or indirectly off of my open-sourced code. A great many people and companies monetize their copyrights and there are many ways and models to do this within the open-source domain.

> Monetising copyright is a specialised business, and it hinders development. It makes economical sense to make free software and make a living installing it or running it.

While I obviously wont agree that monetising is bad, as we covered open-source includes the ability to monetize as many businesses do, I will agree of course that open-source is good and generally helps everyone economically. More importantly however this isnt the point. You are basically arguing that open source is good for everyone (I agree).. but that does nothing to counter my original point that open-source is fundamentally capitalism in that it goves the author to choice to open-source or not, and under what terms.

@SteveTheDragon

@Faket

You dont get to define what anarchism is, it already has a definition.
@SteveTheDragon

@Faket

In anarchism you can not enforce people to do what you want by law.. so while anarchism might allo wyou to put some arbitrary text at the top of your code that sounds like a license, it does not give it any legal authority.

In anarchism if someone obtains your code with an open-source license attached they are allowed to completely ignore your license and use your code however they want.

@SteveTheDragon

@Faket

Anarchism can very well look chaotic, but there are forms that arent. But in all its forms it holds one thing in common, there is never a coercive form of hierarchy.. as in, no law that dictates what your not allowed to do (though some might argue some fundemental restrictions on that).

Perhaps your confusing anrarchism iwth libertarianism, which is where there is a hierarchy and laws but it is minimalized and localized.

Also for the record anarchism and libertarianism are government forms. capitalism is not, not exactly. You can have a capitalistic anarchism, in fact anarchy by default would be capitalistic (as in having a free market).

@SteveTheDragon

@Faket

No, in anarchism you wouldnt have licenses at all, there would be no laws and no licenses. Anyone could take your code and use it however they please, with or without your consent.

@SteveTheDragon

@SteveTheDragon Glad I could help :)

@SteveTheDragon thats not communism or socialism, it is capitalism. Capitalism allows people to give things away for free, and it is their choice under what terms they do so (that is the key). The fact that you can pick 20 different types of open source licenses, or none at all, is capitalism.

If it were communism you wouldnt even have the option to decide to open source your code, the government would just take it from you and then set whatever demands on you they wish on your own code.

@akeno

LOL always enjoy watching the morons moroning... please continue while i watch and laugh.

@nubigo @Atlas

@trebach@tilde.zone

I never claimed he was obligated personally to put in that effort, or that anyone should. Though what I am claiming is that people shouldnt be blocking those instances at an instance level because it prevents those who do want to invest time into making the world a better place from being able to do so. This is made far worse when instances even go so far as to block an instance for not blocking an instance.

Block them and dont put in the effort if you want, that is fine, but when you actively start telling other people they cant interact with them as well thats the point you've crossed the wrong line IMO.

@TonyStark @zleap

@iankenway He has so many great poems. One of my favorite poets.

@TonyStark

By engaging with racist people I have managed over the course of my life to convince many dozens of people to change their behaviors, many of whom I haven't seen express a racist comment in a long time. Honestly the response sounds like what people say who never really gave it a go in any constructive sense (most people dont).

There are a lot of success stories out there of people with similar expiernces as my own too. So I cant say I agree.

Daryl Davis is a pretty well known example of what I am saying. He converted 200 KKK members to being anti-KKK simply by being friends with them throughout his life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis

@zleap

XVII( I do not love you)

I do not love you as if you were salt-rose, or topaz,

or the arrow of carnations the fire shoots off.

I love you as certain dark things are to be loved,

in secret, between the shadow and the soul.

I love you as the plant that never blooms
but carries in itself the light of hidden flowers;

thanks to your love a certain solid fragrance,

risen from the earth, lives darkly in my body.

I love you without knowing how, or when, or from where.

I love you straightforwardly, without complexities or pride;

so I love you because I know no other way
than this: where I does not exist, nor you,
so close that your hand on my chest is my hand,

so close that your eyes close as I fall asleep.

-- Pablo Neruda

this is one of my favorite poems 🙂

#poem #poetry #english #writing

@pope_meat

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