🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@a7

I know its hard for you to understand topics that have any degree of complexity.. so I can see why you might think that, but no. The point is and always has been that sex is a spectrum, not a discrete dichotomy.

@Agni @yarra

@a7

Right, as I said, sex is a spectrum, and there arent only two sexes, spectrums are continuous not discrete. Discrete things are countable, continuous things are not.

@Agni @yarra

@a7

As I said earlier, the issue is that people think people are "one sex or the other" .. which isnt how it works.. people have qualities of each sex in varying perportions. sex is a spectrum not a dichotomy.

@Agni @yarra

@a7

you seem to be really struggling what I said or following the conversation.. who said there was a third sex? No one is claiming that.

@Agni @yarra

@icedquinn

So you think they are only attacking biology and sex because its an easy first target and the next step is to convince everyone math is as illigitimate as they claim biology is?

I'm not sure its that calculated or intentional but I can say its usually the same sorts of morons who think all scientists are in on some grand global warming consipracy and some even go so far as to think the earth is flat and all of science is a scam... so .. yea it does seem to be similar circles.

@StarAStar

@yarra

Alright let me finish that for you then. You ok with peer reviewed literature (tends to be highly technical) or would you rather me find you less academic work that is geared more towards the lay person?

@Agni @a7

@a7

Huh, what do you mean others.. thats like saying "warm doesnt exist because there is only cold and hot".. there arent others, it is a spectrum, there are people who are not clearly one or the other, there are people with both, there are people who are strongly female or strongly male.

@Agni @yarra

@yarra

So much for your lead in with "yea I'd read the literature"... I was in the process of compiling the medical studies for you but I see now that would be a waste of my time to carry through on I guess.

@Agni @a7

@a7

Well considering your earlier comments feeling superior is definately one of the things going down here. Little doubt in my mind most people are superior to you and a few others in this chat.

@Agni @yarra

@Agni

kleinfelter syndrom is considered to be part of the intersex spectrum. In other words, they have some qualities of males, others of females.

I never claimed there was a third sex either, so clearly your reading skills are as excellent as your biology skills. Intersex does not imply that there are more than 2 sexes, it implies that sex is a spectrum and they can and do fall anywhere on that spectrum from female, to ambiguous/both, to male.

@yarra @a7

@icedquinn

I agree entierly, but one thing I like to emphasize which you didnt touch on (though your points very important all the same) is this isnt even a transissue alone.. There are a **lot** of intersexed people, born somewhere in the middle on the spectrum who have no desire for surgery or therapy, they just want to live the way they were born, which happens to be intersexed... These people arent trans but they are intersexed.

The spotlight always seems to be on the trans part of it, and thats a big issue so I think its great people bring up that part. But I think the non-trans intersexed community typically gets ignorred and people forget they are a big part of it too. Even the people doing the hating seem to only think about the trans people and forget that its not just about trans.

@StarAStar

@icedquinn

these are just people who cant understand anything more complicated than elementary school, so they insist everything must fit their grade school lessons... its just confirmation bias in its most extreme form.

@StarAStar

@StarAStar No matter how much you might want biology to be as simple as a 3rd grade biology lesson it wont be.. There are plenty of men or women, even ones with perfectly common sex expression, who cant give birth to a child.. are you going to seriously tell me a woman who is infertile is suddenly not a woman... Sorry but its not that simple.

@yarra

sure, there is no shortage of medical leiterature on the various forms sex can take, happy to share it.

@a7

@a7

What are you on about? There are a handful of cases but not sure what point your getting at.. You trying to argue if someone is infertile or if their chromosomes dont line up with their genitals then they dont have a sex or some nonsense? Your making no sense.

@yarra

@StarAStar No you are confusing Gender and sex.. biologically sex is not as simple as male and female and there are a huge range of bio9logical physical variations (XX, XY, XXY, XYY, XXX, etc etc).. what you describe when it comes to how people identify, thats called gender and is a different topic than what we are discussing, which is sex.

@yarra

Its an entire medical disciplin but sure, there are tons of books, after i eat my lunch ill link you a whole host of papers ont he various variations.

@a7

@a7

every one of those cases are not as simple as the 3rtd-grade understanding you seem to have unfortunately.. wanting something to be simple doesnt make it simple.. biology is complex, your going to have to live with that fact.

@yarra

@Lumeinshin

What are you on about.. why would we have to define the type of man or woman.. we already have a well established system of describing someone.. every combination of sex chromosomes has a name or can be described by the sex chromosomes involved, it isnt difficult.. "Bob has klinefelter's" now you know he is intersexed and exactly what type... how is that difficult?

@yarra

Pronouns are about gender, not sex, not even related to what is being discussed. I do agree the pronoun stuff is obnoxious and can mostly be ignored. But a few people acting rediculous really doesnt change the established science behind the spectrum of sexes that exist naturally.

@a7