🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@swiley Its pretty absurd the levels blocking has gotten. Usually its done under threat as many people demand you block a laundry list of instances lest be blocked.. it snowballs quick where instances wind up blocking instances just not to get blocked by what few instances can still see them. Its why we are so resistance to going down that very slippery slope here.

@saxnot

Yes, nothing there disagrees with what I said.

Your evaluating whether their ideas are extreme or not, I am talking about their application of the ideas being extreme or not.. Wanting water for people without water isnt extreme, pushing for it to the point that all other policies be ignored, even that results in half the world dying to execute some solution is.

@hanswolters

@saxnot

extremism isnt limited to the left wing or right wing concepts.. they apply to any ideology no matter how many dimensions it may prevent... If you are blindly devoted to one problem and one narrative as to how to address that problem, and do at the expense of everything else, then your being extremist.

@hanswolters

@saxnot

The two tend to go hand in hand, if your ready to compromise then you arent an extremist.

@hanswolters

@replikvlt No one thing in particular. I just like a well stocked cupboard. Sugar, salt, diamond dust, tritium gas, some polonium-210, gallium.. just your based day to day needs.

I've used it in a few experiments, betavoltaics, spark gap induction, and long-term glow in the dark devices.

@hanswolters No one thing in particular. I just like a well stocked cupboard. Sugar, salt, diamond dust, tritium gas, some polonium-210, gallium.. just your based day to day needs.

I've used it in a few experiments, betavoltaics, spark gap induction, and long-term glow in the dark devices.

Seems my tritium is loosing its radioactivity, need to replace it... It was getting hard to find last time too.

Can you really say your free when you cant even buy nuclear/radioactive isotopes cheap and affordably?

@thewismit hahaha nice! tell me how that goes :)

@thewismit

It exists too, just not at my library:

https://www.amazon.com/Wet-Allosaurus-Summer-Lola-Faust/dp/B08JZRXX6Z

@hanswolters I certainly wouldnt sell the Dutch, Americans, Germans, or any other country as having the perfect government or system, or even being better.

There are a million different types of governments but the problem all boils down to the same in my mind... the people dont have a good sense of solutions to the problems, they have tunnel vision, a hyperfocus on one way of viewing the world that dominates everythign and leads to people supporting ideas that cause more harm than good in the big picture... Even in america the conservatives will reject every solution the liberals have for a problem and will reject the problem even exists, and then the liberals do the exact same for the conservatives.. so you have a sea of people that are a mixture of extremes and not one of among them is supporting solutions that really consider the valid concerns both sides present.

Its no different in other countries from what I've seen, just to varying degrees and perhaps with more than just conservative vs liberal.. but the same basic problem... a mixture of extremes does not make a moderate well rounded solution.

@saxnot well when it comes to if the supermarkets play along, if your basing it on science you already know that going in, it would have analyzed those policies and the tendency towards participation in the past based on the rewards or risks for those supermarkets.

Science encompasses the full gamut of analysis and it certainly doesnt stop where participation begins, that is just as part of the analysis as anything else.

@hanswolters yes, all of that is true, and ultimately why the fault is with the people not the government.. they choose to act that way, and very well could learn not to but wont.

@saxnot thats part of the problem though, or at least so it seems from when i look at coalition type governments... each party has some specialized world view.. each one has some theme and focus... none of them are generalist with just plain old good solutions down on a list... so you never get good solutions, you get causes.

@saxnot

To be clear I dont think any country in the world has a wonderful governement.. most of the governments waste tons of money and never apply true solutions to problems as their too worried about popular opinion (which tends to be ill informed) than actual solutions according to the science.

@saxnot I wouldnt know I cant vote in the netherlands only the USA and the Dutch know very little about their government it seems other than bits and pieces. I've had to learn through studying Dutch texts I can barely read.

@saxnot never said he was an idealist.. im just saying pointing out he may have been competent in his political ideas doesnt mean much since i was talking about the voting public's competence to vote, not so much the leaders competence which is secondary.

@saxnot Sounds like the problem is you have parties focused on primary policy changes like "themes" .. what about a party that cares about all the problems and has a list of solutions (good solutions) for all them them? Vote for that one, if none exists, create one and vote for it... either way the error is with the people.

@hanswolters If unemployment is low there may not be a problem that needs solving, it depends.

If the unemployment is 1% of the population and its just the people left who are lazy and just refuse to work, then there is no problem, thats the life style they pick. Now if you are talking about a situation where unemployment is low and includes some hard workers who just cant find work, then yes there is a problem.

This latter case however represents the situation where the average voter is not knowledgeable enough to vote for their best interest. Getting hard workers into the workforce improves GDP and ultimately improves the income of all the existing workers as well. So if they are not voting with that in mind they are doing a poor job at exercising their vote.

@saxnot Hartz competence is not relevant to what I said, I spoke of the voting public as a whole.. unless Hartz somehow dictated 51% of the vote in germany his competance isnt relevant.

The people vote the ones in office who make these decisions, no one to blame for the people, they could just as easily vote in competent people, but they dont because they are too brainwashed by party dogma, they perpetuate it and it is 100% on them.