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@VarnaNecropolis I never said it was safe.. your claim was "2x-3x the lethal does".. so please stop trying to deflect.. it was literally on the low end of doctor administered doses (as I stated)... that is not the same as saying 2x-3x the lethal dose, it isnt even 1x the lethal dose (which is defined at the LD50 which is well about twice what was in his system)....

I never said it was a safe dose, thats your fiction, but it very clearly is not 2x 3x the lethal dose, or even 1x.

@VarnaNecropolis

https://youtu.be/oCb8gFRrJU0?t=79

You can see here floyd dies/passes out and even while unconscious from suffocation the officer continues to strangle him with his knee.

As a bonus you have an actual doctor explaining how this would be fatal even under normal situations.

@VarnaNecropolis The mental gymnastics your going through is amazing.. Three officers were all laying down on his chest as he says he cant breath, and moments later he is dead.... you think the fact that he was claiming he was having breathing problems even before being suffocated somehow makes that not suffocation?

Dude I dont know what your smokin but thats some shit.. Have fun with that delusion but we all saw his moment of death, and its a pretty fucked up delusion to think the man wasnt suffocated.

I mean for fucks sake even after he had died and went completely limp the officer staid kneeling on his chest and throat for some time... there is absolutely no way you can interpret it as anything other than suffocation.

@VarnaNecropolis Sorry for clarity I should have said suffocated, not strangled, personally i would still call it strangalation even though he used his knees other than his hands, but whatever.

As for 0 evidence.. there is literally video of him on the floor being suffocated/strangled by the officers knee on his kneck as he says " I cant breath"...

I wouldnt call that 0 evidence, I'd call it obvious proof he he was suffocated/strangled.

@hanswolters Well that is the big problem I suppose.. the fact that docs cant be trusted and/or the fact that people rely on doctors and dont research on their own (either perspective is fine by me)... point is, the patients were not properly informed, obviously there is an expectation a parent will be informed if they are to make the best decisions.

@VarnaNecropolis

associated with fatalaities != fatal

The point here is that a person who takes that dosage stands a good chance of surviving and is at the lower end of dosage... with enough additional factors (like being strangled) yes they can die.

You still seem to be intentionally ignoring the most important point... he.. was... suffocated... killing someone in a weakened state is in no way going to get someone off the hook for killing someone.. They suffocated the man, anything els eis a pointless addon as I stated from the get-go

@hanswolters yes, its obviously important to weight the benefits and risk..

If your child is struggling to reach their full potential then a drug , assuming it is significantly helpful in improving that potential, is worth a greater risk than if the drug has less important positive effects (I'm not sure height is all that important a goal personally, within reason)...

But yea if a kid is given adderall and there is a 5% improvement in their performance you might deem the risk not worth it.. if there is a 300% improvement perhaps it is.

@louiscouture I never claimed it wasnt labeled as such.. i havent checked but it probably was correctly labeled I just happened to miss it at the time (I didnt even think to check for it honestly as I just needed any sort of eye drops that helped with tear production).

@louiscouture amazon. Need a link?

@anon00110

No the phase for dismisal is over, it has already **not** been dismissed and a full trial has already been approved and scheduled.

So you are defacto wrong.

@VarnaNecropolis

@VarnaNecropolis

The image you just posted does not confirm what you just said.

Here is an exact quote from a medical source:

"The estimated lethal dose of fentanyl in humans is 2 mg. The recommended serum concentration for analgesia is 1–2 ng/ml and for anaesthesia it is 10–20 ng/ml."

Clearly showing that 11 ng/ml is within the lower side of the normal dosage administered.

-- source: emcdda drug profile for fentanyl.

@anon00110

Huh? Yea of course he did, obviously did. So far no court has ruled to agree with you either..

The case is literally not closed (trial hasnt even begun yet).

@VarnaNecropolis

@tn5421 @finlaydag33k
@TheCzar

I dont think its that easy. I have seen people who were quite a bit more successful on adderall than off and it is clear that it overall improved their quality of life. Likewise I have seen people take it and not really show much improvement overall.

The most responsible thing a parent can do is if they see a child has a disorder and that disorder is effecting their life, and natural solutions havent worked, you try the medication, evaluate, rinse repeat.. an absolutist stance without actually exploring potential solutions doesnt help either.

@VarnaNecropolis When the official dosage of fentanyl is twice the level found in his blood, and a second autopsy agreed with what i said, really not much point being made here. None of that changes the fact that he was strangled and died, at best the drugs made him an easier person to kill, which is all the more reason the cops actions were uncalled for , so as I said in the lead in, the autopsy is moot, he was suffocated and if drugs made it easier to kill him by suffocation doesnt in anyway obsolve the police, in fact it makes it more damning.

@VarnaNecropolis

Ok found the original lab report, again, and surprise surprise, you are utterly wrong.

The report states the serum (blood) concentration of fentanyl was 11 ng/ml, the typical doctor prescribed dosage for pain results in a blood serum level of 10 - 20 ng/ml. Meaning not only was he no where near the ridiculous claim of a 3x lethal dosage of fentanyl he wasn't even near a 1x lethal dosage, in fact he was on the **low end** of a regular doctor prescribed dosage.

Full exert from the report:

VI. Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing
performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at
9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)

A. Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

1. Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

@VarnaNecropolis While I look for it please be sure to share **your** lab report (from an actual lab, not some bullshit website) that shows the exact numbers you stated as well, since your the one making the claim. Thanks.

@VarnaNecropolis You used the word stranglation not me.

I am refering to the **video** of him sitting on the guys kneck and chest as he says he cant breath.. very obvious strangulation.

As for the lab report, I actually already shared that, it might be in this thread somewhere, ill search for it again.

@VarnaNecropolis and yes, every opioid death is an injustice in its own right, the fact that they didnt get the help they needed sooner if nothing else. But for very different reasons.. It is noth floyd's **death** that is the injustice, that is just the consequence. Its the fact that a police office strangled another human being, regardless of anything else.

@VarnaNecropolis You'd be surprised how someone borderlining OD (of which many survive) are a hell of a lot quicker and more likely to die when you strangle them.

Thats like saying "Hey its cool your strangled that cancer patient with asthma to death, he was already on the verge of dying so you strangling him doesnt even count!"

Sorry doesnt work that way, if you strangle someone you've already failed regardless of any results that strangulation may have.

All that said, your "evidence" regarding drugs in his system at lethal doses has been debunked (he had drugs in his system, but not even approaching the levels you suggest in the lab reports).. but this is moot as the officer strangling someone is just as guilty if the person was of poor health or not, in fact **more** guilty for strangling someone who was near death if that were the case.

I saw a friend of mine's bottle of adderall which is for her kid who has ADHD, but the bottle was labeled "keep out of reach of children"...

Now I cant help picture her danging an adderall pill just out of reach of her ritalin addicted child saying "Sorry you have to jump for it, I have to keep it out of your reach, bottle says so", and then pulling it back like a cat going after a toy every time the child desperately reaches for the adderall.

There is a reason I am not a father :)