🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@pthenq1

Yea too many unkowns to say either way.,

@icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@pthenq1

There may not even be a herd immunity, which further dilutes the argument to force people to vaccinate.

@icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@pthenq1

Have you not listened to what I said.. when did I say it isnt mutating? What I said is that all viruses mutate and that it is no way an indication that the virus is capable of circumventing vaccines... all the viruses we vaccinate against continue to remain in wild populations, and continue to mutate yet none of them have ever spontaneously mutated passed vaccinations.

@icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@pganssle Not even sure what your on about.. everything I mentioned can be backed up by peer reviewed papers and in fact a few weeks ago I already shared one such peer review paper elaborating on the fear of ADE with the COVID vaccine and that paritcular paper repeating the converns I mentioned.

There is a reason so many people quit or protested from health organizations around the world but particularly in the USA when the safety measures were circumvented with countless doctors indicating mostly what I said, that the safety measures are there for a reason (and that vaccines are often canceled when they cant pass the long term safety)...

No clue how what part your even objecting to to be honest, this is something plenty of scientists other than myself have repeated.

@BrightStar Keep in mind you do not have to prove to me that I should be against the vaccine itself.. I am against it because it skipped safety checks as I said... you need to prove to me it is causing mass murder specifically.

@khird I wonder if this is a state by state thing then.. I have never worked in ohio which may explain why i never experienced it.

@pthenq1

NO!!! As I already pointe dout those are recombinations, not mutations in the sense you are thinking. COVID is not capable of recombination only certain viruses are (like the flu).

@swiley @icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@BrightStar You are thinking of the replication crisis and the number you cited is not correct when talking about all of peer-review, that figure is specific to psychology which is where the replication crisis is the biggest problem.

Regardless of any number about what percentage has false data the problem is **not** using peer review has far more false data, so not really an argument to avoid it.

@khird what state was it that you and your GF had to do it? I'm really curious now...

@mystik

He isnt a bad guy, he is generally polite and will engage respectfully, so I cant condone attacking him.. Dont get me wrong I do agree that he is flat out wrong, and highly biased (which ive seen in past discussions). But he has done nothing that would cause me to respect him less other than having a different opinion, which he is entitled to.

@TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social @pthenq1

@pthenq1

No, there is no "risk" from not getting the vaccine except the risk an unvaccinated person takes upon themselves (of catching the virus).. those who take the vaccine will mitigate that risk if they want.

@icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@pthenq1

Actually thats not true either, in fact the other way around to some degree. Its the same reason why if you antibiotics cause antibiotic resistant bacteria.. If you have vaccines they can give rise to vaccine resistant varients. Not that im saying COVID is likely to develop one, it isnt, but the act of vaccinating can cause the problem more so than not vaccinating at all, that is, if the virus is likely to mutate in that way at all.

@ew @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@mystik

No they arent contradicting eachother, you just dont understand the language... types, strains, varients, and how they change is important here.

Type A, B, and C flu **are** the three major categories.. however there are many varients of those that change season to season through recombination.

@TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social @pthenq1 @icedquinn

@BrightStar sure, if you have peer-reviewed data ill be happy to review it.

@mystik

I already pointed out I was mistaken.. you can turn off the snarkyness now.

@TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social @pthenq1

@pthenq1

As I already stated that is in **no way** unusual for any virus, varients are very common. What you fail to realize is you are in **no way** showing any level of evidence that the virus is likely to or even capable of mutating in a way that would circumvent the vaccine.

There are many viruses that mutate much like COVID does (which is not unusual) that have persisted in the environment for decades after the vaccine was created, and yet none of them, even after decades, were ever able to mutate to circumvent the vaccine. Like i said your talking out of your ass and making up a fear without any basis in reality.

@swiley @icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social

@khird so strange, i have never heard of any job doing that.. i believe you, but weird.

@pganssle

Sure, in the same sense that during segregation black people could have always just go to a different resteraunt, or found a different bus... sorry but that logic is pretty horrific.

@swiley

@pganssle Huh? Normally vaccines go through a final stage of tests lasting a 1 - 3 years. This is the only way to have any idea of long term risk factors, there is no way to speed this up, and no amount of rigor circumvents it.

This long-term phase is where all sorts of complications are caught that short term tests dont, most notably ADE. So effectively we are completely blind to whether or not in a year or two time ADE or other risk factors wont develop that we decided to just skip the test phase on.

@mystik

Sorry my last few replies I thought youw ere talking to me, I see now you were talking to the other guy.

@icedquinn @TruthAndFreedom@masthead.social @pthenq1