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@amolith Chances are you've never received an answer to that, shor tof a half-assed one. Recipies tend to be secret, they might tell you some of the ingredients but not every last one.

"Whats on this"... "A tomato sauce with onions", I assure you there is far more than tomatos or onions if they say such a thing. There is olive oil, basil, salt, pepper and whatever else.

Besides even if they wanted to tell you every last ingredient they probably dont know it. If they used can tomatoes I doubt they know all the preservatives and chemicals listed on the can.

@amolith Of course I'd buy a mea at a resteraunt that doest iterate the ingredients. In fact this is rather common.

@lucifargundam ahh yes fair.. jotunn are weird though.. they kinda contradicted themselves on that. Like many literal godds were of jotunn descent including Odin himself.. so hard to say what a half-jotun half diety even is.. might just be a diety :)

@lucifargundam Sigyn was a god not a mortal, Angrboa was a jötunn and also not a mortal. The only mortal among them is Svaðilfari (a horse) and the demigod horse thing sleipnir.

@lucifargundam I am only aware of Sleipnir as Loki's child, who are the others?

@lucifargundam Just did a search for a complete list for you (linked below).. seems there are a few more examples than I could recall but not many... the fairly complete list shows Egyptian religion had only 3 demigods, Norse only 3, and Greeks, well looks like at least 2 dozen or more.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_demigods#Norse_mythology

@deesapoetra

> In this context MAPs. They trying to normalize being MAPs. That’s enough promotion for me.

They are trying to provide support for other MAPs and claiming to be a MAP themselves. Normalization doesnt appear to be so much the goal.

That said, that doesnt matter.. they arent promoting people rape children, which is the crime.. They are simply pushing for acceptance and compassion towards people who are born with sexual attraction towards minors but dont act on it.. how is that a bad thing? Should we not be compassionate towards people who are trying to do the right thing and not attack them for how they feel, something that is largely beyond their control?

Yes we can continue this tomorrow, have a good evening.

@lucifargundam Far less so. In anctient Egyptian I only know of Imhotep who was a pharoh and likely used the demigod status as a way to strengthen his claim.

As for the Norse Odin had two demigod children and Loki had one, but I know of no others.

The greek went crazy with the idea though, there are dozens of demigods in greek mythology. At least a dozen of which are all children of Zeus, like he fucked EVERYONE with tits pretty much. Dude was a hornball.

All of greek mythology is just Zeus fucking random mortals and then dealing with the consequences. Its basically just a religion about a god who couldnt keep his dick in his pants.

@deesapoetra "How can we be sure about it?" let me ask you, obviously if i asked you "are you a murderer" you would say no... how can I be sure about it?

The answer would be, because I have no evidence you are one, you never promoted murder, I have never seen you act on murder, and you claim not to be a murderer. So can I be 100% sure, no, but without evidence that is good enough.

Why is a MAP any different?

@deesapoetra MAP implies attraction to minors sexual, it does not imply that attraction is a good thing or that one should act on it. So in and of itself it is not enough to assume ill will. The question to ask yourself is, has the MAP in question in any way said they are ok with or support acting on sexual attraction to minors.

If your goal is to help reduce the number of people who will act on their sexual attraction to minors then that starts with accepting it as a disorder, and judge them as anyone with a disorder that can lead to harmful actions, that is, judge them by their actions or those actions which they advocate for, not judging them for their disorder itself.

> We can’t be sure about that.
Unless there’s a selected psychiatrist moderating their group.

How so? If a group claims it is for a support group, and there is no evidence to the contrary then why would you need a psychiatrist monitoring the group to affirm this? Generally we judge people and groups by their actions.

In the end the point here is clear, there is and needs to be a separation between a rapist, and someone who feels sexual urges which they do not act on. If you treat a MAP as if they are a rapist by default, even when they claim otherwise you are effectively going to cause more rapists than otherwise would be the case.. If a person is trying hard to get help for their urges or not act on them to attack them anyway and exclude them from society will only set their therapy back and make it more likely they will become a rapist.

In short, a person can't help what they feel and shouldnt be judged for what they feel.. we judge people for their action.

@deesapoetra I think you misunderstand.. what I'm saying is many people who are self described MAPs are people who are pedophiles (feel sexual attraction for underage people) but recognize that this attraction is wrong to act on and even seek therapy for it.

The reason they are vocal about being MAPs is mostly, in that case, to act as a support network for each other as it can be healthier to admit and talk about your mental disorders than to have to hide it from the public.

@AmpBenzScientist I've read some of Freud's stuff yea.

@deesapoetra If we are talking about MAPs who recognize that attraction to minors is wrong and persue therapy not to act on it, then I'm not sure insulting MAPs is the best solution, many struggle to live with their condition. Now if we are talking about MAPs who promote attraction to minors as an ok thing or even act on it, then yea, I'd agree. But this distinction is very important

@deesapoetra It does have that element yes.

“When the mind has a tendency to dream, it is a mistake to keep dreams away from it, to ration its dreams. So long as you distract your mind from its dreams, it will not know them for what they are; you will always be being taken in by the appearance of things, because you will not have grasped their true nature. If a little dreaming is dangerous, the cure for it is not to dream less but to dream more, to dream all the time. One must have a thorough understanding of one’s dreams if one is not to be troubled by them; there is a way of separating one’s dreams from one’s life which so often produces good results that I ask myself whether one ought not, at all costs, to try it, simply as a preventive, just as certain surgeons make out that we ought, to avoid the risk of appendicitis later on, to have all our appendices taken out when we are children.”

-- Marcel Proust