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@mcduquesne

Sorry your right, you did quote the constitution at the start. Was looking at the wrong post when i replied.

So your argument is that even though they only secure copyrights for limited times, and the constiton in no way claims that limit need sto be a "short" time or anything about how long... that somehow the fact that copyrights are longer than you want them to be that that represents a violation of the constititon?

Sorry still a pretty weak argument bro.

@herag @null0x0 @agoradefense @Albright

@JackMeinoff As I've stated quite a few times, I did the math on value and market cap.. but hey keep imagining what you want. Just because I dont agree with you clearly I "didnt do it"

To be clear I am not suggesting that everything in the top 10 is a good bet.. in the end if we are talking fiat we will only likely have one or two truely successful crypto. But it wont be Shib thats for damn sure.

and no i dont care about the GME CEO personally...

@mcduquesne

You said you were going to argue constitutionality and your argument of constitutionality in now way even references the constitution? Pretty weak argument bro.

@herag @null0x0 @agoradefense @Albright

@JackMeinoff There are a ton of great projects that loose money, yup... There is more to it than **just** offering a feature. But again all the coins int he top 10 are all offering **something** novel.

You may not actually make money if your coin is providing value/features, but you sure as hell wont be having much long term success off a coin that brings nothing to the table.

@JackMeinoff

My track record and success making money on crypto more than proves I know what im talking about. I have demonstrated my expertise on the matter more than enough times over

At no point did I ignore the market cap. I have reviews the market cap, I have reviewed the volume, I have reviewed the technology and could tell you how it works at a byte for byte level... Just because someone thinks your piss poor wrong doesnt mean I ignored anything. Your ego is just too big for you to accept someone can think your wrong and actually considered those things.

For a recap lets go over the top 10 volume cryptos and exactly what they bring to the table (and remember shib brings NOTHING to the table)

#1 Tether - first stable coin to track USD

#2 BTC - First coin to bring crypto

#3 ETH - first coin to bring smart contracts

#4 Binance - first dual chain interoperable coin

#5 XRP - first coin to introduce non-traceability to transactions.

#6 ADA - First coin to operate on scientific peer-review governance

#7 ETC - First coin with guaranteed immutable chain and inability for miners to change it.

#8 LTC - First coin optimized for transfer speed above all else

#9 DOT - First well implemented DeFi coin/suite

#10 Chainlink - First oracle network w/universally connected contracts

Notice that any coin that makes it to the top and has a history of staying there, all of them are offering some piece of unique and valuable technology that didnt exist... what about SHib... what does it offer other than the luls?

@JackMeinoff Look you want to loose your money, go for it. Hold whatever interests you. I really dont care. But as a technology there is absolutely nothing Shib brings to the table, zero, unlike every other crypto in the top 10. You dont and wont have a winner if you offer nothing. At best youll get what you've seen so far, random volatility based on someone saying something good or bad about it.

@JackMeinoff

> dude, i know you think you're amazing, we all see it on display here but you're really far off

Once you start with the personal attacks you loose all credibility. dude your full on triggered cause someone thinks a cryptocoin sucks. You really think that paints you as an objective person in evaluating its worth? I think its clear at this point with the personal attacks and refusal to recognize a coin that has absolutely nothing to offer other than "hey someone talked about it!" as indications that you arent really offering valuable insight.

> For a seasoned crypto investor I'm shocked that you don't understand that chart in relation to the bloodbath that the market took... you really have to close your eyes huh?

Already addressed this by doing the same analysis normalized against ETH... same march towards 0. It crashed hard even normalized to ETH (meaning it takes the crypto market into account), and still marched towards 0 before slightly getting back to its post-crash value **at best**.

> Again, you have to lie and ignore other factors and make things up to prove your point.

We call that projection... when you look at the coins that hold top 10 ranks and have kept it, each and every one offers a unique technology to the game that didnt exist before... everything below top 10 are mostly coins that, like shib, bring nothing of value to the table to distinguish it in any way.

@mcduquesne

If you could make a coherent argument as to why it is unconstitutional then you'd have a leg to stand on in calling it illegitimate... Though i highly doubt youd be capable of doing so. I know the constitution well and cant imagine any way you could even begin to make that argument without making huge leaps.

@herag @null0x0 @agoradefense @Albright

@JackMeinoff its not uncommon for a coin to rise then tank after going on an exchange.. but generally then dont continue tanking over the long run as Shib has, key difference.

@JackMeinoff I have made out huge off of crypto and been investing since before ETH even existed. I cant tell you how many coins ive heard people say are great, and showed all the same patterns as Shib... everyone who invested in them are broke.

I just checked coin market cap... it isnt in the top 10 ranking, or the top 20, or even the top 25. You have to scroll a ways down to find it. Worse yet this is a listing based on market cap, which tells you very little, particularly considering after shib's crash trading volume went to shit.

DOGE is exactly as bad as Shib, and I agree it has no utility either. So the fact that Shib doesnt even approach a shit coin like DOGE should tell you something.

@JackMeinoff It didnt take off... the value spiked after 2 days because it went public on exchanges (as every coin does)... it then crashed and its value made a b-line right back to 0.. its fundementals and performance is shit and frankly is one of the poorer performing novel coins ive ever seen.

No it never hit "the top coin listing" It hasnt even made it in the top 10 let alone the top, or the top 25, or the top 50!!! It is in about the 76th place in terms of how strongly held it is.

No the value of BTC isnt some arbitrary thing people just decided had value. It produced novel functionality (such as the ability to transfer money across the world in minutes without a third party or regulation), THAT and other features of BTC is where its value derrives from, not some made up arbitrary agreement. Shib does not offer any new functional value however, unlike other coins like ETH or Ripple or Ada which are all bringing new features to the table.

@JackMeinoff The excuse that Shib has value simply because people bought it is incredibly weak. The fundamentals have been horrific.

Word of mouth is no value at all.. Cryptocurrencies have value because like any technology they bring new features and frameworks to money that never existed before. Their value isnt arbitrary, atleast not long term.

There is a reason that the average trend for SHIB over its entire public life was straight down to the gutter... because its not actually a technology bringing anything that gives it value over anything else.. no one is going to invest in something just because.. not in any significant amount anyway.

@agoradefense

You dont seem to know what "legitimate" means. the holocaust would be legitimate according to Nazi rule, and illegitimate according to international law. Saying a thing is legitimate must always imply by what rule system or system of law it is legitimized..

But yes, from the Nazi legal system the holocaust was as legitimate as anything else, and by international law illigitimate.

Copyright and IP law however is legitimate in nearly ever system of law we have on the planet.

@herag @Albright @null0x0

@JackMeinoff No BTC is a bad coin too, its only advantage is that it is the oldest, so it will hang on longer.

You are literally investing in a coin that has absolutely nothing to bring to the table, has never shown any sliver of success, and since its public opening went nowhere but down...

What possible argument could you even make in support of the coin? Ethereum itself has an argument to be made, as do many other coins like ADA, or even ripple... Shib literally has nothing one could argue for in its favor.

@herag

No it doesnt exist in my mind. It has been codified on paper, executed through actions.. etc.

As for it not being legitimate, you clearly dont know what the meaning of that word is. Legitimate is defined as "conforming to the law or rules"... It is quite literally legitimate by definition.

You cant in one breath say that they exist and are real, and then in the same breath try to claim they are a fiction... you are making not a lick of sense. What you probably mean is you dont agree with it, or that the ideas it espouses are human creations.. but none of that makes it a fantasy. Your throwing words around and using them in a way that is in no way related to what those words mean.

@Albright @null0x0

@herag

> So it is 'real' why?

Because it exists and is utilized by society. I cant believe I need explain the meaning of "real".

If i imagine a picture of a unicorn in my head then that thought is real, the unicorn is not, but i actually had the thought and therefore it is real.

I really shouldnt need to explain what the meaning of real is. No it has nothing to with who set up the system or how many people support it. So long as it exists, tangibly or not, then it is real, buy definition.

@Albright @null0x0

@agoradefense

Ummmm what, yes thats **exactly** what legitimate means. The definition of legitimate is:

"conforming to the law or to rules."

@Albright @herag @null0x0

@agoradefense

Thats exactly how law works.. everyone agrees, it enters law, now you have to follow it at gun point... yes its completely legitimate and pretty much the basis for every society on the planet.

@Albright @herag @null0x0