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@meowski

The required list of AE that need to be reported for other vaccines is much smaller than the list for COViD (and a recent development). If you read the fax they list the events that are required to be reported for covid vaccines and its different from other vaccines due to it falling under rhe EUA

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Are you just seeing what you want to.. It very clearly stated reporting adverse effects of COVID-19 is mandatory under the Emergency Use Authorization... What does the same format of a table have to do with anything.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Did you even read the links you said.. It very clearly and explicitly stated at the link **you** sent that reporting had changed. Already replied here:

qoto.org/@freemo/1066658829145

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

"they're using the same criteria as before".

The FAQ that you just linked literally says you are wrong and I am right.

From the link you provided:

"Healthcare providers are required to report to VAERS the following adverse events after COVID-19 vaccination [under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA)], and other adverse events if later revised by CDC:"

It clearly states that the reporting has significantly changed under the EUA and it is **now** required by law to report whereas before it was optional.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@icedquinn

Of course there is a fuzz factor.. No the presence of a fuzz factor doesn't invalidate it, yes citing data based on VARES is fine... **if** you know enough about statistics to actually **normalize** the data.. What you cant do is just take a raw number without normalization and expect it to mean something.

@meowski @nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Gosh, its almost like legally obligating people to report things to VARES somehow increases the number of reports to VARES.. what a mystery.

@meowski @nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@icedquinn

Are you seriously going to just ignore the fact that Flu shots do not require VARES reporting on AE events whereas COVID vaccine shots DO require doctors to report events even if the doctor knows it to be unrelated? You dont think that would have a significant effect on the numbers huh?

@meowski @nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@meowski

The numbers are higher specifically because doctors are, for the first time in a long time, actually required to report to VARES even if they known an Adverse Event is unrelated to the vaccine.

So citing higher numbers says nothing, it is entierly expected given the law.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

LOL No they dont.. most doctors follow the law and report on VARES anything even remotely notable.

Also the law that requires them report to VARES even when there is no causality is **unique** to the COVID vaccine as such laws were instituted as part of the national emergency. As such it would ina nd of itself explain why the reporting increased.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

No, when doctors are required by law to report many events even when it is known that it was unrelated to the vaccine it is pretty extreme to say "few"... these laws have pretty wide swaths too.

In fact the vast majority of types of incidents in VARES would have been required by law to be reported by a doctor even if the doctor knew it wasnt caused by the vaccine...

It shows you havent worked with VARES data in the past, it doesnt work like you think it does.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

The law requires VARES reporting to a whole host of situations even when it is known that there is no cause effect.. So yes, it is well established VARES contains tons of reports not related causally to the vaccine.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Patently false, in fact the public policy explicitly states this as false. They are required to report certain types of incidents even if they know it isnt caused by the vaccines (because that is needed for the data to be reliable)..

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

No its not, not even close. VARES is where you report any incident that has the **possibility** of being an adverse reaction.. It is not encouraged nor required that such incidents be verified as having a causal relationship. That is figured out after using the techniques I described already.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @nanook @Pat

@meowski

Agreed, we skipped some safety on the vaccines and left a lot of unknowns. That is a problem, as I have said so since the begining.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@meowski

Absolute numbers are important, but you wont get it from VARES. For that you need double-blind random samples.

Yes you will see higher numbers from this vaccine purely because more people have taken in.. That isnt a problem though, simple normalization adjusts for that. You normalize it to a rate and that becomes a non-issue.

@icedquinn @sergeantcat @Pat @nanook

@icedquinn

Most cases of anaphylaxis are considered to be related to the vaccine. It is acknowledged as one of the most common forms of death for most vaccines.

But it is also far more common in egg-based vaccines (like that used in the flu), as such its not unusually high int he case of the COVID vaccine, but certainly real.

@meowski @nanook @sergeantcat @Pat

@Gina The sort with rope is what Id be doing for sure. But I'd have to find someone to join me for that, and probably do some weight training first and loose some weight.

@meowski

No your missing the point. VARES derived absolute numbers arent really all that important. We care about how it compares to the background rates. The rate for a known safe vaccine compared to the rate for a new vaccine. As long as their prevalence for reporting is similar then the absolute real world values arent needed.

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