🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@1iceloops123

The difference is we dont look for excuses to flag someone an asshole either... like it has to be obvious and intentional. Rules are hard to define for that reason, the interpritation means everything.

@realcaseyrollins

@1iceloops123

Our rules basically come down to "Dont be an asshole, dont intentionally start shit"

@realcaseyrollins

@1iceloops123

Its totally valid for you because you dont go around trying to be an asshole :)

@realcaseyrollins

@1iceloops123

I wouldnt say we are quite as relaxed as SPC. Explicit and clear cases of hate speech isnt going to be tolerated here. But generally you have to be trying to be an asshole to wake up the admins/dragons in these parts :)

@realcaseyrollins

@realcaseyrollins By the way the incidents I describe were over the course of several days. QOTO made several attempts to resolve it civilly before silencing.

@realcaseyrollins As you know QOTO is pretty light handed on its moderation. Like i said they are the only server we ever had to silence and even then we made it clear to M.K. we would be happy to remove the silence if in the future we had some insurance that incidents like that would be considered unacceptable and acted on. However MK to this day maintains it was acceptable.

@realcaseyrollins I think its bound to self destruct.. it will be very hard for the fediverse to maintain it in an effective way without infighting I suspect... I hope im wrong.

@realcaseyrollins Well the most notable one that we saw here that caused us to silence them (and the only server we ever needed to) was 1) Explicit harassment which was carried out across a large portion of the entire server, not an isolated incident 2) ban evasion to increase the effectiveness of the harassment. That is, once users were blocked by local users for harassment they continually encouraged each other to spin up new users to continue the harassment and bypass individual user blocks.

Since they had explicit rules against harassment it seemed clear to me their rules dont matter much, especially when M.K. herself gave the ok on the above activities.

@realcaseyrollins I have not witnessed doxxing specifically either. But then again I have never witnessed a moderator banning someone for doxxing a trans person either.

In other words its more likely that the doxxing rule hasnt been tested, more so than it being a rule they have or will apply objectively.

@realcaseyrollins

Inclusion of trans people is a central tenate of almost all mainstream feminism. so yea to oppose it would be considered radical by feminism standards for sure. But its only one example of feminists that consider themselves radical.

@RikaDerufu

@realcaseyrollins What spinster says on their about page and the rules they claim to set has no relationship to their actual conduct, at least that has been my experience. The rules are just for show, public image. If they had followed their own rules they wouldnt be the only server silenced by QOTO.

@louiscouture fair

@realcaseyrollins More importantly as a server they are not inclusive of all forms of radical feminism, only TERFs so far as I can tell.

For example a person who believed all transpeople should have **more** rights than women or men would also be "radical feminism" by definition, but being a TERF instance certainly wouldn't be welcome by almost the entire spinster community.