🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@DavidBond I dont care for myself, sucks for onlyfans as a business move since they used to have a good niche, and now they are little more than a patreon

Did we not already learn our lesson that nuclear power plants on or near the ocean are bad, very very bad! Stop this nonsense. Build it on tracks or as a vehicle if you realy want to... anything but this!

@hans_w yea but its not what is usually meant by controlling consumption. Usually what is meant is that the goods and services are distributed equally to the people.

@modrobert The definition I quoted was and is the accepted definition since 100 years before the CIA was even founded.. what are you on about.

@modrobert You are conflating two things... social is bad, which even europeaners believe (ie nazi party, chinese government, etc, all forms of socialism), and the baseless american trope that social democracies are the same as socialism (which you seem to be on board with).

Personally not sure why your fighting for European countries being the same sort of category of government as nazism (fill title: National Socialist German Workers' Party). There is very good reason european countries are socialist like china or Nazi Germany, lets not back track on that.

@modrobert Doesnt matter how long it was. What defines a socialist country is its laws, not the views of a party.

@modrobert and in the 1800s when the terms were defined to mean the same as the prime ministers and myself use them, I guess they were bending over then too?

@modrobert Wikipedia says your wrong, the prime ministers of Europe say your wrong... you are wrong.

(sources cited in other thread)

@modrobert

Examples of prime ministers saying their country is not socialist

Denmark:

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders

Sweden:

https://mises.org/power-market/swedish-ex-prime-minister-rebukes-bernie-socialism-only-destroys

Notice thats two out of three of the countries you listed where the prime ministers stood up and expressly stated that they arent socialist

@modrobert how did they control the means of production (Wikipedia cited definition of socialism) for those 50 years? The party in control isnt what defines if a **country** is socialist, only their laws.

Dude even the prime minister of several ofyour so called "socialist" countries stood up to say they were socialist. Come on now.

@modrobert No it isnt "my" definition, it the wikipedia definition.

Your quote is talking about socialist parties which hav eoccasionally taken rule. That is **not** the same as saying they have a socialist system of government.

HEre is the definition os socialism and communism from wikipedia, exactly agreeing with "my" definition.

> Since the 1840s, communism has usually been distinguished from socialism. The modern definition and usage of the latter would be settled by the 1860s, becoming the predominant term over the words associationist (Fourierism), co-operative, and mutualist, which had previously been used as synonyms. Instead, communism fell out of use during this period.[27]
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> An early distinction between communism and socialism was that the latter aimed to only socialize production, whereas the former aimed to socialize both production and consumption (in the form of free access to final goods).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism#Communism_and_socialism

@modrobert How in the world can you consider those countries to "control the means of production" which is the definition of socialism... and no china is **not** communist as it doesnt constrol consumption, we covered this, it only controls production, thus is socialist not communist by the definition, the definition that has been established since the 1800s by the very people who founded socialism and communism.

Your welcome to disagree, but you are wrong.

@modrobert First one should be a picture of a casket :) China, being one of the few successful socialist countries to compare to, have a horribly morbid survival rate when it comes to cancer compared to the USA.

Attached are the survival rate for prostate and eye cancer by country. As you can see china is pretty much at the bottom, usa top.

@Co python will probably work and be easy enough... numworks calculator has a python interpreter in it that is kinda cool.

I'd suggest you play with the python CaS libraries availible to you first before you get too far along just to make sure they will be a good solution.

@modrobert Socialism is where the means of production is owned by the people and equally distributed. Communism is the same but where production **and** consumption are regulated.

Therefore all communistic countries are socialist by definition, just a specific form.

China, for example, is a socialist country because its government owns huge portions of the businesses (the means of production), however people are free to make more or less money and buy more or less things from one another.

Communist countries go a step further, they ration the people to ensure everyone has equal buying power as well. So the "means of consumption" as people say is also controlled.

Since no country in europe ensures the vast majority of its means of production are owned by the government, no country in europe is a socialist country.

These terms are well defined since the 1800s... now if the media wants to reframe and misrepresent them (I agree they often do), thats on them. But I'm using the real definitions here, not what the media uses.

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To your point about democracy, yes generally they will vote for what favors the many, not the few... but that is not socialism or communism. Many would argue (correct or not) that pure capitalism with no regulation of any kind benefits the many also.

What defines socialism is not, and never has been, who benefits. It is about who owns the means to production and/or consumption, nothing more or less.

@Co Whatever language you are most comfortable with that has a CaS .. R is a shitty language to work in but it is meant for math stuff, so you may find it a good choice here. Python has a CaS library too.

@Co I dont think a calculator would be all that useful without it... its also why i wouldnt go with an UNO.. a good calculator needs good processing power. Personally I'd throw a raspberry pi or other SBC in there and then use existing CAS libraries behind the scenes.

@Co Computer Algebra System... it is wha seperates a typical calculator (which tends to just do operations on numbers) to a more advanced one like the TI-89, where it can do symbolic manipulation (integration, solve for x, solve ODE, etc)