🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@icedquinn

"They told us"... I already posted what science told us, and it was extraordinarily accurate... now if some other "they" other than the consensus of mainstream scientists told you something else, then so be it. Listen to scientists and not random morons.

What you meant to say is, like always, main stream media did a piss poor job of explaining the scientific consensus... doesnt change the fact that the consensus at the time was correct.

@s8n @Pat @trinsec

@icedquinn

Except it hasnt been "reliably wrong" in fact the average of all the models from 20 years ago about global warming have been far more accurate than we could have hoped for.

@s8n @Pat @trinsec

him: White people get so mad when you try to get them to care about the future

Me: Maybe we shouldnt pollute

him: fucking libtard faggot, you are gonna get yours real soon buddy.

LOLOLOLOL

@s8n

Thank you for so perfectly proving the point I wanted to make by example :)

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@s8n

You: White people get so mad when you try to get them to care about the future

Me: Maybe we shouldnt pollute

You fucking libtard faggot

LOLOLOLOL

@icedquinn @Pat @trinsec

@s8n

True, I get this every time I talk to an old white dude about global warming. They get sooooo angry at the idea that we might not want to pollute so much for concern for the future.

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@Pat

In trading places I think the whole point was "hey there is racism so black people are often poor as a result, but they are just as capable of being rich, lets switch them and prove it"... it was literally commentary on the very thing we are discussing.

I dont remember Top Gun well enough to recall the racism in it, though I dont doubt it might be there.

My expiernce with 80's movies is that when it did good black-positive stuff it wasnt at the expense of whites. There was little racism towards whites and a good deal of positive towards blacks (though as you point out plenty of racism towards them). I think this was a good direction to head in.

Today we may have more black-positive movies, though it feels like the numbers are the ame, but the racism towards whites is off the charts and I think that approach has just set us back on the whole race issue overall.

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@Pat

I'm talking about the best actor award mostly. Yes to some extent its given to the show, but also it can be awarded to any of the actors in said show.

But even so if we are saying that shows with mainline black actors are more likely to get awards, and thus the black actors more likely to get awards, then it still suggests some degree of favoritism.

The rest of your points are really harder for me to measure objectively... Im not sure if thats true or not, i hold no opinion. I guess we could look at the current list of movies at the box offices and count how many have negative vs positive black leading roles.

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@icedquinn

Depending on the movie I can see that actually. Though I think 80s wokeness was just a better wokeness, you had 80s shows that were just plain old racist too which would be the non-woke side of 80s I guess.

Consider any movie with eddie murphy in it for example. He was usually well spoken and had some degree of respect. Switching places is a good example that kinda hits it on the nose where its even commentary on this very thing.

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@trinsec

I agree "its still racism". It is only reverse racism if the racism was done explicitly with the intention of creating equal opportunity. In other words, if you create disadvantage for whites specifically to help even the opportunities between whites and minorities then that would be reverse racism.

If that isnt the intent then its just plain old racism/favoritism.

@Pat

@Pat

I agree black people can be cast in a racist way.

But what I was referring to wasn't just the numbers they appear in films. Not only do they play leading roles more often than their occurrence in the general population would suggest, but they also win more grammys than their percentage in the population.

So while I wont disagree that racism is often applied to how they are cast, they are also favored more so than other races when awarding them, suggesting the opposite of racism, favoritism at that level. Asians experience this even more so.

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@Pat

Entierly agree, and I stated as much in my original comment. The white authority figures in the image are just as invalid historically as the black subservient characters on the outset. Neither are of a race that reflects the egyptian race.

As for your comment on how science has changed with regards to race, thats fairly accurate.In the past race used to be seen as a significant genetic difference to the point that it borderlines on being seen as almost entirely different species. Today race is still a very real scientific construct but as you say it recognizes that genes are far more intermixed. In science race is usually more in line with the idea of subspecies than a species but even then we are more integrated than most subspecies really, but valid all the same.

The main example that I think makes it obvious that race is a legitimate, objective, scientific idea is the fact that if you see someone who has a relatively pure African descent we can identify that via a blood test which will almost always show an overwhelming correlation to genes we expect of Africans. The fact that ones geographical descent can be identified and verified with accuracy through a blood test is pretty solid proof that race is a very real idea.

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@Pat

Not true. Race is a well established scientific idea and well studied and defined. What is true is that in science it doesnt much resemble how we use it in every day language. There is no "black" and "white" race, but there is race.

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@trinsec

You can find individual exceptions among pharaohs and even the Egyptian culture, sure. But these are exceptions and not the norm.

@Pat

@Pat

There tends to be racism all over the place in movies, no arguments there. While blacks are often the target of said racism so are whites, and so are many others.

The difference I find, for better or worse, is that the racism towards blacks is usually subconscious (not that that makes it excusable) whereas that towards whites tends to be intentional and acceptable.

That said I did some statistical analysis years back when people were debating inequality in the grammys. Turns out blacks are actually **over** represented in movies and especially at the grammys but asians were exceptionally over represented in american movies yet underrepresented in grammy awards.

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@Pat

That is not even remotely good evidence for the black egyptian hypothesis (which by the way has been rejected by nearly the entierty of the scientific community).

Whites have tons of genes originating in africa. The skin tone itself that is typical of egyptians evolved simultaneously throughout the world among anyone at a similar latitude, and is much lighter than the majority of africa.

Regardless of our personal opinions on the theory the fact is it has been overwhelmingly rejected by those more educated ont he subject than us and with very good cause.

To quote wikipedia on the matter:

Mainstream scholars reject the notion that Egypt was a white or black civilization; they maintain that, despite the phenotypic diversity of Ancient and present-day Egyptians, applying modern notions of black or white races to ancient Egypt is anachronistic.[2][3][4] In addition, scholars reject the notion, implicit in the notion of a black or white Egypt hypothesis, that Ancient Egypt was racially homogeneous; instead, skin color varied between the peoples of Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, and Nubia, who in various eras rose to power in Ancient Egypt. Moreover, "Most scholars believe that Egyptians in antiquity looked pretty much as they look today, with a gradation of darker shades toward the Sudan".[5] Within Egyptian history, despite multiple foreign invasions, the demographics were not shifted by large migrations.

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@trinsec

The use of the Glaive style weapon would place this in the New Kingdom Era (~1500BC - 1000BC)

Ancient egypt was neither predominately black nor white, they were egyptian, including the slaves. Blacks and whites of course had visited the land but would have been an extreme minority. Therefore most of the characters here, who seem either white or black, would be out of place in any time period.

Spears were not particularly wide spread enough to be the common weapon of a palace guard either. They were used mainly to hunt and rarely (though not absent from) the military.

@Pat

@fortune Yea right, like a cat is going to ever get back to me...

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@Pat Nothing wrong with that per say. It really just comes down to how strongly your opinion equates to confidence.