I can go down 450 feet... I am well past nitrox :)
@LouisIngenthron @derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn
These are good points, cant disagree.
@derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn
@derickflorian @freemo @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn Eh, I'm of the mind that there's no reason to get upset about it. QOTO doesn't block servers, so the servers decided to block themselves. It's self-selected curation. Anyone who wants their eyes shielded by another for arbitrary reasons is probably not the kind of curious, inquisitive person that I prefer interacting with on social media anyway.
All one can do is try to publicize the fiasco so that those who are curious can leave the draconian servers and come to the light of reason and open discussion.
On this I agree. Its just shame that many will buy this guff and assume their lies are reality and use it to make misinformed decisions, very sad.
@derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn
@derickflorian @toxomat @ceoln @PaulaToThePeople @SecondJon @shelenn The words "free speech" dont even appear in our ToS and we clearly moderate.
As for a solution in sight, i disagree, and many other instance admins and users are working together to create the #UFoI, this should be a counter force to this sort of nonsense.
They dont have to agree with the conclusions fromt he evidence, but they should fell an obligation to provide it to others when you share this stuff publicly.
When i am talking about someone if they reply with a counter argument and i later publish evidence against them I will go out of my way to include their counter argument even if I think it is nonsense, because of a sense of integrity to presenting all the information to my reader so they can make an informed, not forced, decision.
But yes I agree with your final conclusion that any evidence against a server should be based on the content of the timeline.
@skanman The issue is deeper than that.. when messages have to go many hops through a mesh network without some big long distance hop.pipe to supplkement it then you get bottlenecks where the network simply can not carry the volume of data.
As you point out there are plenty of other issues on top of that though.
I would have been happy if she just accepts evidence that is agains her conclusions just so others who use the list have an informed decision rather than a very intentionally cherry picked set of "gotchas" with everything proving it to be a lie just hidden away.... shows a lack of integrity to say the least.
Agreed, that is actually something I'm working on with the United Federation of Instances I am trying to build #UFoI
The purpose of coalitions would be to basically curate lists using due process for various purposes, thus ensuring the lists are accurate and include all evidence. Which is what you are talking aboutt.
See here for the current proposal, if your interested in it let me know and I can connect you more with the discussions (its democratic so all voices welcome as it is still inn formation):
https://ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf
@skanman It actually is a fundementally limiting problem.. by all known algorithms so far it is a unsolvable problem.. though some do debate the topic often.
The issue with the list is that it clearly suppresses evidence that is not in line with the operators opinions, effectively lying by ommitting relevant context to distort the truth.
See my list on the talk page.. Despitte being respectful and showing a mountain of evidence to disprove the evidence claimed for QOTO on the block list none of this evidence was actually added (in fact in response they added another entry claiming I harassed her). Instead despite the polite mention I was blocked.
https://joinfediverse.wiki/Talk:FediBlock
This isnt a case of "admins make up your own mind".. this is a case of explicitly lieing, presenting on the cherry picked out of context evidence to support your agenda and suppressing all evidence that disproves the claim int he block.
Is that really a block list you want to support? I mean come on the majority of instances on the list dont even bother providing evidence.
Yeah, sure, @freemo messes up sometimes. Because he actually DOES THINGS.
He also seeks constructive criticism and corrects course. More than once a day in public.
You can be comfortable, or you can be a change agent.
@empiricism No problem.
@empiricism Wait, what, we arent discussing climate change in this thread. Thats a weird question.
But yes I agree there is human caused climate change and that problem is very serious.
Apparently being, even to shitty people, is a dog whistle, but only when those shitty people arent you :)
@freemo @toxomat @shelenn @ceoln the latest comment reads to me as.... Despite proof Yay all stated concerns are resolved, there's still problems and if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you.
Hardly treating others well with that kind of attitude. Feels less like a vetted list and more like.. the Paula Don't Like You list. 🤣
Treating others well is one thing I think #qoto is known for. Sad that the idea isn't shared more widely.
@freemo she said it all at the end: "...and I don't need someone like you on my wiki. Goodbye." Yes, 'her' wiki. One person's opinion should not be used represent the entire fediverse (as she so fondly thinks it, apparently). This goes for the CEO, as well.
Hoping the #ufoi becomes the standard to which everyone looks for in an instance before signing up. I see a lot of potential in this fediverse stuff and we don't need the few dictating how the majority should feel.
@georgetakei Congrats and good luck with this project. You are a king among men, and I am glad to see the success you are having
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