🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@voidabyss My use of "your" in thsi case was a general statement.. not worded very well but the intention was not to imply you specifically werent vaccinated.. I meant to say I think anyone who doesnt get vaccinated outside of a few fringe medical reasons are idiots.

As for how often scientific consensus is proven wrong... quite rarely in the modern era, youd have to go back before our generation to start finding any significant examples really

@thor I dont find problem solving to be the biggest quality of programming.. 99% of the time for most programming its pretty straightfoward and I see it more like creating a recipie than solving a problem.

@2T2@mstdn.starnix.network

One better, I am a research scientist who works explicitly on COVID.. so thanks, glad I have your permission.

@thor im not sure development is analogous with solving puzzles. I'm not a fan of puzzle games, for examples, yet I'm a pretty good and motivated developer who works on some fairly advanced problems.

@Pierrette

Noi argument that unvaxxed people arent a problem, and that the problem hurts everyone financially and in other ways... But the solution isnt to throw bodily autonomy out the window (in fact if you do so you will likely make the problem worse and cause more people not to get vaccinated out of protest).

The solution is to educate and address the problem with other means, which int he end will likely do far more to address the problem anyway.

@voidabyss

@Pierrette

As I said, bodily autonomy is sacred and trumps any practical arguments.

When we start arguing for the collective good over ones right to do with their body what they want we start getting into all sorts of crooked paths. Might as well force people to get abortions to keep the population in check, or make it illegal to go out in the sun because skin cancern means we all have to pay for your treatments... it isnt an ethical counterargument IMO.

@voidabyss

@voidabyss

For the record I **am** against forced vaccination, and dont mind you debating the philosophical or legal concerns around this.

But dont confuse my stance with anti-vax. Obviously I think you're an idiot not to get vaccinated (especially when they have non-mRNA vaccines for you to pick so its not like its even an issue). But I also think that bodily autonomy is sacred and people have a right to be idiots.

@voidabyss Now this post is definately starting to encroach on unacceptable conspiracy theory territory. Simply having links to articles and papers in an of itself isnt enough (especially when those papers dont make your core point, which is supported by largely opinion pieces.

Few things:

1) No one claimed there arent rare adverse effects, there are certainly rare, but authentic cases. But they are exceedingly rare compared to any risks from the diseases, to the point of being insignificant in the bigger picture.

2) random individuals with opinions, regardless of their credentials, is not remotely acceptable evidence compared to overwhelming scientific consensus

In the past ive been ok with your post because as I said the last one did address authentic open-questions about COVID. This one does not, it addresses a well established consensus and does so using bad-faith arguments that are quite transparent to anyone operating in a STEM capacity,

Keep in mind this has crossed the line into conspiracy theoty at this point. Please consider this a warning to back it up. If you wish to post anti-Vaccine, covid or otherwise, content this isnt the place unless you have an informed argument to make, which you dont seem to have in this post.

@john yes but should be defined equally for men and women. If nipples are considered nudity then it should be consider the case for both sexes.

@ringo Yes, it seems it would. You have a blessed day as well.

@ringo Thinking someone has the favor of god is the most sure fire sign they dont.

@ringo Idiots rarely are aware of their idiocy sadly.

@ringo The problem with morons like this is no matter how much evidence you use to prove, no matter how clearly you win the bet, they will never be smart enough to recognize they are wrong and concede... Making a bet means nothing when the person making the bet is also the person judging if they win the bet or not.

@ringo If i wasnt clear about my position, your an idiot if you still think the shot is dangerous at this point, though I would have agreed with expressing caution back when the vaccine was first released. But we are well past that point and it has been proven fairly well by now to be safe.

@otso

The fact that you dont even understand how VARES works, why it isnt and cant be used the way you are using it, or even why this argument is loony bin territory at all is very telling.

I have discussed VARES many many times before and everyone who tries to argue this has been completely clueless... little quips arent going to make you look like you have a clue.

@otso

Yes we are all more than aware you are one of the ones who supports idiotic ideas, no need to keep reminding us.

@ringo Mostly to never underestimate the stupidity of humans, no matter how much access to knowledge they have some will still be dumber than a dog.