🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@voidabyss As i explained its not about simply questioning the scientific consesus. Its the fact that you did so in a way that seemed to be both uneducated on the subject and and yet assertive.

@voidabyss I ne er claimed scientific consensus never changed, thats very different than thr picture you suggest where change to the scientific consensus required an individual proposing such change to be in a small minority. Most change is not met with much hostility, assuming the argument has been made correctly.

Take einstein, he proposed a pretty fubdemental and craxy soubdibg proposal but he was met almost immediately with interest and consideration by the majority if the great minds in his field.

@2T2@mstdn.starnix.network Man you must have gotten some wiplash from that 180 you just did... So I can only have an opinion if Im a doctor.. but if im a doctor who has devoted his work to COVID, then its a confict of interest and I cant talk either... lololol

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town we dont ban flat-earth discussion explicitly.. we do ban anti-STEM preaching which almost always seems to include flat-earthers.

If it is well argues as you put it that too would eliminate effectively all flat-earth discussions too.

That said there are some really fringe flat-earth discussions that could in theory be valid.. For example if you did some study that showed thje universe was curved in such a way that the earth might be flat but only appear round.. technically thats "flat-earth" of a sense but not even approaching any sort of flat-earther in existance. But yes, if someone could make a good scientifically sound argument for flat-earth, sure it would be accepted, that just isnt going to happen.

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town Sounds like your looking for a free speech instance, not an academic freedom instance. Academic freedom doesnt include anti-science preaching (which is fundemental to a flat-earth stance).

@voidabyss There are people alive in the world who both existed before humans ever learned to fly AND witnessed us land on the moon. Comparing modern scientific progress with the past is not even remotely comparible interms of progress. Buy comparison there was a 5,000 year gap between inventing writing and inventing the printing press.

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town Well we are probably the closest thing to this on the Fedi... That said I wouldnt say there is "total"academic freedom, we wouldnt allow a typical flat earther to go crazy here for example.. but as long as you are arguing in academic good-faith and following our rules then you are probably good... afterall academic freedom is one of our central principles.

@voidabyss My use of "your" in thsi case was a general statement.. not worded very well but the intention was not to imply you specifically werent vaccinated.. I meant to say I think anyone who doesnt get vaccinated outside of a few fringe medical reasons are idiots.

As for how often scientific consensus is proven wrong... quite rarely in the modern era, youd have to go back before our generation to start finding any significant examples really

@thor I dont find problem solving to be the biggest quality of programming.. 99% of the time for most programming its pretty straightfoward and I see it more like creating a recipie than solving a problem.

@2T2@mstdn.starnix.network

One better, I am a research scientist who works explicitly on COVID.. so thanks, glad I have your permission.

@thor im not sure development is analogous with solving puzzles. I'm not a fan of puzzle games, for examples, yet I'm a pretty good and motivated developer who works on some fairly advanced problems.

@Pierrette

Noi argument that unvaxxed people arent a problem, and that the problem hurts everyone financially and in other ways... But the solution isnt to throw bodily autonomy out the window (in fact if you do so you will likely make the problem worse and cause more people not to get vaccinated out of protest).

The solution is to educate and address the problem with other means, which int he end will likely do far more to address the problem anyway.

@voidabyss

@Pierrette

As I said, bodily autonomy is sacred and trumps any practical arguments.

When we start arguing for the collective good over ones right to do with their body what they want we start getting into all sorts of crooked paths. Might as well force people to get abortions to keep the population in check, or make it illegal to go out in the sun because skin cancern means we all have to pay for your treatments... it isnt an ethical counterargument IMO.

@voidabyss

@voidabyss

For the record I **am** against forced vaccination, and dont mind you debating the philosophical or legal concerns around this.

But dont confuse my stance with anti-vax. Obviously I think you're an idiot not to get vaccinated (especially when they have non-mRNA vaccines for you to pick so its not like its even an issue). But I also think that bodily autonomy is sacred and people have a right to be idiots.

@voidabyss Now this post is definately starting to encroach on unacceptable conspiracy theory territory. Simply having links to articles and papers in an of itself isnt enough (especially when those papers dont make your core point, which is supported by largely opinion pieces.

Few things:

1) No one claimed there arent rare adverse effects, there are certainly rare, but authentic cases. But they are exceedingly rare compared to any risks from the diseases, to the point of being insignificant in the bigger picture.

2) random individuals with opinions, regardless of their credentials, is not remotely acceptable evidence compared to overwhelming scientific consensus

In the past ive been ok with your post because as I said the last one did address authentic open-questions about COVID. This one does not, it addresses a well established consensus and does so using bad-faith arguments that are quite transparent to anyone operating in a STEM capacity,

Keep in mind this has crossed the line into conspiracy theoty at this point. Please consider this a warning to back it up. If you wish to post anti-Vaccine, covid or otherwise, content this isnt the place unless you have an informed argument to make, which you dont seem to have in this post.

@john yes but should be defined equally for men and women. If nipples are considered nudity then it should be consider the case for both sexes.

@ringo Yes, it seems it would. You have a blessed day as well.