🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@trinsec yes

@hasmis haha ;)

I started from nothing and grew up in abject poverty. Not saying its easy or there isnt a problem, just saying there are way more exceptions to this than you realize.

@warkittens so apprentice with someone and learn it for free?

@401matthall

Im an american expat who has lived in many coubtries and had healthcare in a great many of them... hate to say it byt while socialuzed healthcare addresses some problems in the american system it seems to offset what it fixes with its own unique set of problems that are just as bad.

Neither approach is a good solution, both approaches are failures IMO

@quinn

Haha

@tonic

You may be right still havent seen that data proven out well yet in this thread.

@rbreich

@quinn never clained government shouldnt be involved in healthcare or in infrastructure. I said it socialized healthcare has huge issues and isnt the best solution (though i also said neither is free market solutions). I never went ibto detail as to what the solution is, though happy to discuss that.

@quinn ironically the reason I needed spinal surgery at all was **because** of socialized healthcare. If it wasnt due to its limitations i coukd have gotten convential treatment that woukd have avoided the need altogether.

And no all of the data isnt against my theory, quite the opposite, but for that you might need a better idea as to what my "theory" exactly is.

@tonic @rbreich

Another thing that poped up.. these are the biggest corporate PACS and shows the breakdown of how they have donated... looks relatively balanced with more donations going to democrats not republicans again.

@tonic @rbreich

A quick 10 second search led me here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1120413/donations-political-parties-leading-individuals-donors-us-election-cycle-source-wealth/

Not really a good source either, but it shows the top 100 biggest donors of both democrats and republicans and shows how much they donated. If this is any indication democrats seem to actually have much more money donated to them, at least if we look at their top 100 biggest donors.

@tonic

We are talking about rich people donating, either through a PAC or not. Comparing PACS is not a comparison of how many rich people donate.

@rbreich

@tonic

Actually now you just moved the goal post (though im sure it was unintentional)... I never claimed the rich democrats were as awful as the rich republicans (I mean they kinda are, but im not arguing that now)... We are talking about oligarchies, so we are talking about rich people donating to swing elections, which is unfair. Whether one side is the "good" side or not in doing that is a separate question.

Good or bad the fact is, democrat or republican you have a long list of very rich donors that used their money to swing the vote thus putting fair democracy in question.

@rbreich

@antares people are crazy, them blocking you means nothing morally

@quinn even if the tories were the reason, it just goes to show exactly why the government shouldnt get involved with healthcare, it will always be incompetant, the tories wont go away.

I dont think the american system works but ive lived in many coubtries and been subject to many socialized healthcare systems. If one thibg is obvious to me its thst socialized healthcare doesnt work either (not talking about helpibg out poor people financially with healthcare costs, that part i support)