🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@gamehawk

2 LGBTQ+ lives were saved here at QOTO so far due to our policy, people I know by name... Your claim is already shown to be incorrect... perhaps you didnt listen to why.. We have a coalition og LGBTQ+ on this server that use it to monito bad actors and warn people when their lives are at risk. This has so far saved 2 people, and yes banning that would mean they would have no where to go since we are the only inclusive instance iwth open-federation.

@gamehawk

I will reiterate what i said more clearly, please do try to read and respond in good faith or dont waste my time.

1) you claim **I** am a bad person. You also claim one reason you know I am a bad person is because I responded to bad people before. You are responding to me right now. Ergo you are a bad person and on the exact same level as me.

2) I pointed out we have open federation specifically because it ensures our LGBTQ+ community is safe and their lives protected as a result. I explained why, I also explained several alternatives discussed and why they were rejected as alternatives and would put our LGBTQ community in danger... you claim there are alternatives that dont, but conviently refused to say what they are (probably beause you realize we discussed them and had similar reasons)... Therefore we **intentionally** have open federation, yes it would be easy to filter out, but we dont because the lives of our LGBTQ are more important, full stop. If you have a better alternative then im all ears, but right now you are just noise.

@gamehawk

Wow, you really didnt even read the conversation did you. I never said anything about research or being unable to remove it from the timeline... I explained to you why, specifically, it would put the lives of our LGBTQ at risk to defederate.. you claimed there were some nebulous alternative options you could propose but wouldnt... yet now your talking about some "research" or me claiming its too hard to remove or something.. I NEVER SAID THAT!

At least listen to what people say before you accusing them of unfounded nonsense. It says alot you were accusing me of shit before we even spoke.. A LOT.

@gamehawk

You don't. QOTO offers this exact feature, you can pull up local timelines of foreign instances.

Also as a philly native myself I used to check out that server all the time.

@gamehawk since responding to bad actors now is a good reason to suspend someone and call them a bad actor I guess that means you are now just as guilty as me for responding to me.

By your own standards you should be suspended and kicked from your own server!

Ya know, or maybe it doesnt make you a bad person just because you reply to someone (assuming you arent condoning anything bad they say or do)

But yea, god forbid you apply your own standard to yourself huh?

@gamehawk Did I respond in any way that condoned racist or prejudice behavior? What are you even on about... way to be so vague as to be useless.

My vast majority of responses to people who are acting in a bad way is to attack their behavior. So the best you have is that I dont spend a half hour reviewing everyones timeline to see if they are a bad person before I respond.

It is amazing that you dont see how rediculous you sound right now with the whole "you responded to people who were bad people in the past". LOL, try harder if your going to actually make sense.

@gamehawk

The LGBTQ+ community here is quite well known, it was a big thing int he earl days of the fedit when they started moving to our server. The debate where they insisted on open-federation is also completely on record at our discourse.

I may have accidentally responded to a bad actor without being aware of it, yes... Do you realize how rediculous you sound to accuse me of being a bad person because I responded to someone I didnt know was a bad actor once.

Now your just grasping at straws to excuse the fact that you literally are demanding we disregard the lives and safety of our LGBTQ+ community, shameful!

Also my timeline quite clearly shows a pattern of me showing support for the LGBTQ+ community.

@peterdrake

@peterdrake

The safety of the LGBTQ+ community on other servers are not effected by our federation policy, so why does that matter? The policy effects our users and no one else, so the opinion of our LGBTQ community is the only one that matters when it comes to deciding our policy, wouldnt you agree?

@gamehawk

@AncientGood By all means, do it.. you wont regret it

@gamehawk

Why not try being a bit more productive and instead of talking abouut something you werent a part of **asking** why the alternatives were ruled out.

Of course when our LGBTQ+ community raised objections to us changing our open-federation policy we had discussed in length all the alternatives and they were ruled out since all of them put the safety of our LGBTQ+ members at risk or was not as effective.

For example you can manually visit their pages. This however is very time consuming and doesnt give you access to follower content.

We discussed opening an account on those servers. That would expose them to a lot of danger as their credentials and IP would be exposed to the server.

We discussed using a VPN, that had the problem that should they forget even once to connect to the VPN or disconnect it while a window is still open their credential get exp[osed.

Yes we discussed all the alternatives, all of them put the lives of the LGBTQ+ at risk in some way.

@peterdrake

@peterdrake

> I see the value in letting people speak/act/decide for themselves, but I also see the value in not making the victims do all the emotional labor. It’s complicated.

No you misunderstood what I said. I am not saying "let them block for themselves and thus decide"... What I am saying is the minorities on QOTO have explicitly faught for the right to decide for themselves what they want to see or not, they insisted on this for their own safety.

What I am asking you is why are you, as a non minority, telling them what is safe for them when in fact they have explicitly stated that your vision of a "safe space" puts their lives at risk and that the current open-federation policy is what they requested for their own safety? Why do you think as a non-minority you can tell them that their idea of a safe space is wrong?

@gamehawk