🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@gamehawk Very good advice, thanks I like it. I will do that too.

@gamehawk Right now we message new users when they first post and share it with them, in addition tot he pinned post. That said I do agree it should also be put ont he about page as suggested by pete.

@gamehawk

all our new users are offered a block list they can import, for now until we develop the feature I mentioned is a very workable solution. The only people on our server who see it are ones who never bothered to do that quick step.

But until me or someone develops it I have to make the decision that maximizes the safety of our LGBTQ+ community. So far every alternative you mentioned would have prevented many of the positive outcomes I know of.

@gamehawk Sounds like an interesting feature. But as I said in some cases they catch these threats off the federated feed itself. So that feature wouldnt really help as it would silence many of those threads there.

I think the only good solution is an opt-out shared instance list, which as I said we are working on... but its not an easy feature to develop with the limited time I have (and have been willing to pay someone to help but it wouldnt be much)

@gamehawk

We already have a solution we are working on that will allow us to silence and suspend hate while allowing individual users to bypass it as an opt-out.. will be in the next release I hope.

That said I dont know what you mean by fedline-only silence. Whatever that is maybe I just never thought of it. What is that?

@gamehawk

Its straight forward. We have a group of about 50 users here who are part of a group of LGBTQ+ activists who use the tools we have here to follow anonymously (subscribe, different than follow) and in some cases follow bad and violent actors as well as hashtags and local timelines (trough our feature to let you follow local timelines of remote servers). When they see one threatebn or dox someone int he LGBTQ+ community they immediately reach out to that person and warn them and get the police involved if needed. This group have so far saved 2 LGBTQ+ people's lives, perhaps more I am unaware of.

In one of those cases they found about the thread through following hashtags and not a direct follow of the account. Sometimes they catch these people int he federated timeline too. If we had silenced then they would have not seen these posts and therefore been unable to alert the people promptly. Since their lives were threatened it very likely would have resulted in them dead if we had silenced those servers.

@JonKramer

Happy to help. Its all about giving people the tools they need to ensure they can curate their feed in a way they enjoy their time here on the internet and are safe/stress free.

@gamehawk

@gamehawk Which oversimplification do you mean, the fact that our top priority is saving the lives of LGBTQ+ people? Yea I guess that is "oversimplification", but im ok with that... 2 lives were saved, 2 LGBTQ people who would be dead if it werent for our policy... yea im perfectly ok with that.

@gamehawk No we arent on an old version, we are a fork with our own feature set and versioning.

We have silencing.

@gamehawk As for #2, yes there are levels of bad... but the only thing so far you accused me of is talking to bad people, which is what you are doing.

So if I am a bad person for doing that, youa re the exact same **level** of bad as me as you are now doing the same thing you accused me of.

@gamehawk

2 LGBTQ+ lives were saved here at QOTO so far due to our policy, people I know by name... Your claim is already shown to be incorrect... perhaps you didnt listen to why.. We have a coalition og LGBTQ+ on this server that use it to monito bad actors and warn people when their lives are at risk. This has so far saved 2 people, and yes banning that would mean they would have no where to go since we are the only inclusive instance iwth open-federation.

@gamehawk

I will reiterate what i said more clearly, please do try to read and respond in good faith or dont waste my time.

1) you claim **I** am a bad person. You also claim one reason you know I am a bad person is because I responded to bad people before. You are responding to me right now. Ergo you are a bad person and on the exact same level as me.

2) I pointed out we have open federation specifically because it ensures our LGBTQ+ community is safe and their lives protected as a result. I explained why, I also explained several alternatives discussed and why they were rejected as alternatives and would put our LGBTQ community in danger... you claim there are alternatives that dont, but conviently refused to say what they are (probably beause you realize we discussed them and had similar reasons)... Therefore we **intentionally** have open federation, yes it would be easy to filter out, but we dont because the lives of our LGBTQ are more important, full stop. If you have a better alternative then im all ears, but right now you are just noise.

@gamehawk

Wow, you really didnt even read the conversation did you. I never said anything about research or being unable to remove it from the timeline... I explained to you why, specifically, it would put the lives of our LGBTQ at risk to defederate.. you claimed there were some nebulous alternative options you could propose but wouldnt... yet now your talking about some "research" or me claiming its too hard to remove or something.. I NEVER SAID THAT!

At least listen to what people say before you accusing them of unfounded nonsense. It says alot you were accusing me of shit before we even spoke.. A LOT.

@gamehawk

You don't. QOTO offers this exact feature, you can pull up local timelines of foreign instances.

Also as a philly native myself I used to check out that server all the time.