🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@trinsec a bit of a stretch but: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/tho

@stevenbodzin

Huh? Why was that directed at me, doesnt seem relevant to anything i said. I never even mentioned gore for example

@futurebird

@trinsec i guess if you are shakespeare thst one still works :)

@theogrin but those arent the two options.

The option is 1) you have a union your forced into and it can throw 49% under a bus to benefit 51% 2) you can have unions be opt in in which case you have unions that only exist when it benefits anyone who joins, in which case you still have unions except now unions can compete and whichever one does the best job at helping everyone survives.

If You replace the w in "what, when, and where" with a "t" it answers each of those questions.

@theogrin yes i agree. But i also refer to my earlier response here. So long as the electricians union serves all of its employees well then people will choose to join by their own accord.

The issue with forcing people to join is thst now the union only has to serve 51% of their members ro stay in power and can throw the other 49% under a bus. With opt out scenario thry are forced to try to benefit everyone.

@theogrin well as ive said im all for electricians having unions... and even more so for needing an electrician to be licensed. I just want people to be able to choose which union their in or if.

@stux

Most wanted list... man that makes russia look weak. Now their scared of students with opinions.

@theogrin i think its fine to state the edge cases where it comes unacceptable... i mean its not like the case where unions are forced is all THAT rare. Yes its a minority but for many govt jobs and labor unions like electricians and transport it is very much thr norm.

@futurebird even in sales you shoukd be finding better ways to deliver your message so you find meaningful loyal clients... if your resorting to cold calling youve already failed

@futurebird

Hustle shoukd matter in all areas.. jt just shoukd be hustle invested in value (skills, deliverables, etc).. when hustle comes down to "i knocked on doors till i found a rube" thrn yea thats a bug.

@futurebird

Oh in that i agree, well too a point. Obviousky hard worknshoikd pay off, but at the same time you shoukdnt have to play a numbers gsme to get an edge.

More skill means you need less hustle in terms of playing the numbers, bjt you invest that hustle into study, which has real value.

The problem is you often get bullshitters in management who themselves got there by playing a numbers gsme. So the end result is management themselves dont have the skill needed to identify that skill in others.

@futurebird

Hustle probably gets you farther than skill.. tell enough people your worth twice what your worth and eventually someone will buy it.

@mike805 @jens

@theogrin

Loom everyone on every issue makes it black and white.. either unions are evil and shouldnt exist or unions are perfect and there are no problems given them all the powers they want...

I think we both agree the reality lies somewhere in the middle as always.

@mike805

More important it also takes a huge personal investment of both time and money for most people.. yes i know earlier i said i was making 100k at 15, but thats because i built something that got world wide attention at that age. In truth most people need to spend a decade of their off work time working on advanced problems and studying before they can get to where i was at 20. I just had a bit of a leap that boosted my career a good 5 years ahead of the mark.

And whike my skills have real value i do recognized i amprivilaged in the fact that i happened to get my start in the dot com bubble. Still i am 25 years of expiernce in at this poi t and had to spend alot of time and risk doing projects for recognition before i got to the point i was recognized as an expert.

@jens @futurebird

@theogrin as long as the unions are opt out they have my complete support. And yes i do know a vreat many unions are opt out so im all for most of these arrangements.