@LouisIngenthron @realcaseyrollins
Also im not sure kids who are commiting crimes care much about wjat their parents think...
@LouisIngenthron @realcaseyrollins
That was how inunderstood Casey's original proposal, yes. Basically to hold them accountabke for how thry raised their child basically.
@LouisIngenthron @realcaseyrollins
Yea if the parents were clesrly negligent they should be liabke regardless if its your kid. If inleave my gun in my backyard and a strangers kid picks it uo and shoots himself or someone else i shoukd be liable then too... the fact that it is **my** kid is kind of incidental.
@trinsec @gpowerf @realcaseyrollins
Financial.liability might make more sense, i woukd t support even that but its at least more reasonable.
Yea, i hear ya. Fair.
Thats ehy i said especially if its applied more generally... if my kid stealing a car means i get arrested for theft, that could be an issue
@eff I really wish you guys would focus more on information (telling us the legalgood and bad of a bill) rsther than telling us how to vote.
Many of us arent followers, we want your expertise so we can be informed enough to make our own decisions.
I was thinking more about your idea of holding parents liable for their kids actions as a deterrant to scbool shootings
One big concern for that is, especially if applied more generally, would be a huge deterrant for parents to adopt problem children, which coukd have a devestating effect on how these kids grow up if all the most trouble prone kids never get adopted.
I think existing liability law could probably handle that well enough... if you have something stolen and were negligent about storage you might have some liability.
That said id be willing to explore it.
My only concern there is
1) the rules for storage cant be prohibitive such as requiring a safe which many people wont have money or access to
2) the user should be allowed to keep it unlocked and without a trigger lock at a minimum while they are home ao in the case of a home invasion thry have quick access to it
One might expect that if you keep a gun at home youd take reasonable precautions if you left town such as security camera or somethibg maybe. As long as the two concerns above are properly balanced i would consider more discussion about ways we could better address this.
Ok so just checked... all gu sales in all ststes by dealers (this appesrs to inckude gun shows) require record keeping.
Private sales only requires record keeping in 19 states, though these are demcrat states mostly so thry do represent thr overwhelming majority of the usa population.
I woukd be ok with supporting a federal law that extended the record keeping requirements on gun sales as they currently exist toninckude all private sales.
My argumebt was only half about that. The other hakf was about profiling, whicb we all know would and is an issue right now.
Having a gun in and of itself, something that is a rigbt, shoukd not be able to be used to generate suspicion, which is the only real ourpose of a register.
Now if you susoect someone because of actual evidence, then you have the right, and can, search the records and lookup based on the serial number.
Its the same reason cops cant look up who is poor in order to create a list of suspects for a robbery.
This is about restraining orders. And speaking generally that makes sense. You do not need tonprove someone was violent to get a restraining order. Generally they are trivial to get and at no point is there a cojrt case with evidence and a jury being evaluated.... so no someone shoukd t loose their rights to a gun due to having a restraining order unless the violent acts have been proven in court.
The issue with gun registration is that one day thr government may become oppressive and make guns illegal and thrn those registrations can be used by an oppessive govt.
The other issue is profiling. Cops might use registrations to target people as suspected and as such owning a gun, even if you never use it, makes you a target of wrongful arrest.
We already have a "one-way" system that is essentially a registrstion. As long as you have a gun or its serial number you can track it back to who owned it, but not the other way around. Assuming it is all legal of course.
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