🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@oliphant 80%, no 60% is enough for your largest T0 list, and T0 is recommended as minimal "start here" type lists. Plus out of, what was it like 10 hand picked authority servers, and of that very small number you pick instances like mastoart which is outright abusive with its list (citing reaasons like an instance even **federates** with another instance they block), rage.love also has a history of draconian and even arbitrary blocking criteria.

so yea when there is a selection of 10 servers, some of whom are well known to be abusive with how excessive their block list is... then numbers like "80% agree" doesnt mean much.

As for instances that have no place on a T0 "start here" sort of list but seem to be on one of your T0 lists (good-actors):

* berserker.town
* qoto.org
* detroitriotcity.com (I may be misremembering these guys though i need to check if they are the server i am remembering)
* scots.network

These were the four that caught my eye.

@oliphant

If you want my opinion... instead of blindly basing blocks on how popular a block is, start with receipts... **require** any block on any list to have a receipt.. start a universal receipts system (I wrote one already, havent released, happy to team up).

That alone will eliminate the vast majority of the issue.. users can, as you say, actually validate against receipts, and the accused should (if the receipt system is open) be guaranteed the ability to provide counter-receipts, true transparency

@oliphant The whole point of using something like this, a T0 list, is that they are picking a "minimal" set, very few if anyone is going to start with a minimal set, especially with such a long list as that, and review it one by one.. and without good receipts they cant really evaluate it well either...

Id argue starting with T0, considering the main T0 list linked is riddled with good-actors, is far FAR worse than starting with 0 and building up.

@oliphant Yea I get that, and it is good you provided a shorter list... but having seridy in a T0 list, any T0 list just isnt a good look IMO. Its being recommended as a choice for a starter instance and as a "minimal" block list, despite being riddled with good-actor instances that have no place on a "minimal" block list is all im saying.

@oliphant

I am not talking about the size of the blocklist, im talking about the size of the instances that do the blocking.

As you probably know there is a list out there that lists how many other instances block an instance. This in turn is used to populate many block lists. In turn this appears to have been gamed by many using mostly one-user instances toblock an instanc een masse to make it look like they are more blocked then they are.

It looks that many of your "trusted sources" use this list directory or indirectly to create their own list, largely because it appears that quite a few instances with little or no justification appear on your tier 0 list.

You yourself federate with us (QOTO) and im sure are well aware we are strictly moderated and dont engage in any activity that could possibly justify a minimal list like a tier0 list, yet there we aare along side many other good-actors.

I think int he end the fact that the tier0 list is huge and has so many good-actors on it discredits the list out of hand. I am glad the process is open, but I'd argue the issue isnt with the process itself but with the premise.