🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@sergeant probably true

If i write a replacement to mastodon from scratch what language should i pick that woukd make it kost likely that you woukd contribute to the project?

@zyk@mastodon.nz not for nothing but there is an issue around owning your own data. If your user admin suspends you you cant migrate to new servers or move your account. Considering how aggressive many instance admins are about susoending this is a pretty legitimate point.

@hanchmanj @pmonks

No she was offered a normal job at normal pay. **She** asked her employer to pay her under table so she could keep her tax money as extra. The employer helped her out. The employer gained nothing so they didnt exploit anything.

That said you are pretending like everyone in the middle class is an a w2 worker and not a 1099 worker. 1099 workers can just skip paying taxes and has little to do with who is paying them.

She asked to miss out on protections, and since the employer doesnt need to provide any sort of health insurance the employer wasnt saving anything.

@hanchmanj @pmonks

No thats just completely disconnected from reality. My mom worked under the table her whole life.. She was documented and asked her employer to pay her under the tabke so she could make more...

And yes there is a motivation to show income for loans, but most people working under the table cant get loans anyway.

@hanchmanj @pmonks

Yea thats just plain wrong.

@opendna @pmonks @QasimRashid

A person making 489 euros in the netherlands will pay about 233 euros in taxes, or the very abusive tax rate of about 48%

On 45k euros income the dutch will pay about 13k or 29%

Similarly in the usa 489 equivelant in euros of income would cost you 35.5% effective rate and 41.5% marginal rate.

So no this is incorrect, at 489K while the taxes are a nice chink less in the US it is also quite a bit higher than the 45K levdl as you suggest also.

@opendna @pmonks @QasimRashid

The Dutch taxes on the highest tax bracket is also highly abusive. So not sure thats a great comparison.

@hanchmanj @pmonks

Yea thats nonsense. They arent cheating on their taxes as employees. They are usually working under the table or not reporting side income and stuff like that. Everytime you see someome on the street selling food or washing your car or any of the many hard working services people do to make money independently, its almost never reported to taxes.

@utterfiction @pmonks

So no profit maximizers and wealth generators are very different things, though a person may be both.

The reason you dont see them as expanding the economy is because wealth can be destroyed too. You have wealth generators and wealth destroyers and these forces cancel eachother. So overall you may not see the economy grow even kf an individual is generating a lot of wealth

@utterfiction @pmonks

No insaid nothing about taxes redistributing wealth. I only pointed out that the rich people, who got rich by being good wealth generators, shoukd not be taxed an abusive rate in the 90s.

Whether what is abusively taken from them is used to redistribute money is secondary to my concerns at best.

@utterfiction @pmonks

No one said anything about wealth being equivelant to profit... what are you talking

When i turn a pile of sand i to a piece of glass ive created wealth, i own that wealth, and this is true regardless of if i ever sell that piece of glass or not. It has nothing to do with profit except that selling the glass and converti g the wealth i made into cash .eans i can buy more sand, make more glass, and generate more wealth.

@pmonks

What your missing is these people where wealth concentrates are also the people resonsible for creating much of that same wealth.

So i have no issue with someone having way more wealth than everyone else when that wealth only exists because of thrm in thr first place. It isnt a pie they are stealing more from, they literally are baking the pies.

@MelodyCooper @pies @zack

More guns dont stop all forms of violence.. the presence of guns are preventing coubtless rapes and violent acts many before they even start as a deterrant.

So yes while you eliminate guns all your doing is eliminating some home murders with guns, replacing it with murders by other means and then adding countless new rapes and murders on top.

It shouldnt be hard to see how a murder witb a gun simply gets replaces with a murder with a knife, 2 rapings, and a strangle.

@jaysonmassey what arr you talking about, no one asked you to explain anything. You are welcome to debate if you want, you also dont have to... but everything you wrote was **actually** read. If you feel something was twisted feel free to speak up but i dont see anything you said getting twisted.

@pies @MelodyCooper @zack

Because correlation isnt causation. When you analyze the data using causation tests llike granger the pattern becomes clear, which is the correct way to analyze the data.

No simply injecting guns till you reach p doesnt worth, the relationship is clearly going to be nonlinear.

@johnabs absolutely gorgeous!

@pies @zack @MelodyCooper

How many times do people need to tell you correlation isnt causation before yiu get it?

@pmonks

Yea its 3.3m your right there.

Wealth is not a pie, some having more doesnt mesn others have less. So its hard for me to see someone who generates wealth unethical. That say the system does have inequality issues to be addressed.

As for rich people avoiding taxes, i usually find its kore so the other way around, usually the poor and middle class seem to lie, avoid, and cover up taxes when they can far more often than the rich. Id like so find some good numbers on that though, just from what Ive seen.