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@aardvark

Ok, I mean sure, other people are using hyperbolic language too... how does that somehow justify doing it? We arent talking about them doing it because they arent here, if they were I'm sure id call them out too.

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@aardvark

No, as Ive stated I dont really care so much about the hyperbolic language other than its self-defeating nature.. The toxicity around "hey that thing you said isnt very descriptive, can you point me to the law your referncing" is far far more the problem than any initial choice of language. If you cant even query about what is meant when someone uses language so hyperbolic as to be non-descript then you are fully within self-defeating territory with no hope of improving the very situation you are concerned about.

@ech

@aardvark

You are right there is no need, and yet, here we are, with people doing just that... at least in the case of florida where the reality is quite abysmal but the language used to describe it is grossly hyperbolic to the point of obscuring the ability to know what one is even talking about, and to the point of being attacked in this toxic bullshit of a thread simply for asking what is being referenced.

So yea, your right there is no need, thats the whole damn point of the objections, there is no need and yet its what is being done anyway.

@ech

@ech

I suspect the argument is "look Texas is objectively shitty, here are some examples, therefore toxic hyperbolic discussions about it are a good thing"... I suspect they basically just agreed with you in an attempt to disagree.

@aardvark

@aardvark

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and not paint them in broad strokes. I am sure for some people this is accurate, and they do want to be hyperbolic. but defining my individual actions based on how some or even most people might behave isnt helping either.

@ech

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town Well I could see, for example, someone playing naive and then going "oh so its not illegal to be gay, its just illegal to talk about it in school" which may have been the intent of someone sealioning and playing innocent, to lure the other person into a conversation and then using a "gotcha".

Now nothing wrong with pointing out someone isnt being accurate in what they say, but the playing naive part in order to do it as a gotcha would be where it becomes sealioning.

@aardvark Yes and I thank you for those links, its all the toxic gaslighting you've done in the peripheral to that is the issue.. when I said thank you that should have been the end of it.

@aardvark Are you really going to take quotes out of context to create some drama about something I didnt say... Here is the full context of the question I asked:

"What about florida makes it so exceptionally dangerous for them? Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just wondering what law or whatever this is in reference to."

As is quite clear when you dont mislead by taking what I said out of context, I was interested in what **law** he was refering, not googles opinion on what makes florida shitty for gay people.

Why are you even wasting your time with this toxic line of discussion... I asked what law he was talking about, the correct thing to do is just answer and avoid all this needless gaslighting.

@ech

Not even surprised

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town

@hosford42

Thats fair, obviously anything I can do to improve clarity is a good thing.

@aardvark @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance

@Hyolobrika@berserker.town While I am sure there are legitimate examples of sealioning clearly you are spot on in this case and something I've seen used similarly before.

@hosford42

regardless my answer was in the present tense "I dont have access to the internet" which clearly was being stated while I have access to the internet (thus the joke).

@aardvark @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance

@hosford42

the question was asked int he present tense and answered int he present tense. So it is possible, and understandable, I may have misunderstood the question (and this was demonstrated with my answer).

@aardvark @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance

@hosford42

Also anyone could see I have been consistently posting for years, so should have been obvious I was responding jokingly...

@aardvark @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance

@hosford42

I have had access to internet. My response saying I didnt have internet was a joke, (which I assumed so was the question) since I was obviously answering **on the internet**. Yes I have had internet.

@aardvark @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance

@aardvark

Or ya know, when someone says "hey what law are you refering to" people can just answer and avoid all this toxic nonsense... and you actually manage to help inform people and get the word out, win win.

Attacking someone for daring to ask what someone is referring to is the most self defeating toxic shit imaginable.

@ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance

@lurker Not in a few months sadly. Last dive adventure I was on was int he Maldives. Sadly work has taken up a lot of time last few months.

@lurker nah, I'd probably be an isopod, a nice sexy isopod