🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@JonKramer @andytiedye @kctipton

There are quite a few aspects of what constitutes "far-left"... not all far-left is the same.. sure communism is fairly far left but its not that simple... there is a long checklist of things that exist somewhere on the left and there is even much wiggle room within the tip of the spectrum. Maybe, for example your a communist who beleives in gun rights, and therefore show perhaps a few extreme views but mixed along the spectrum. You also dont have to be full on communist to be far left, europe is still capitalist and not even socialist for example, pro socialism would be pretty far left in european terms too (though keep in mind im not talking about the casual use of socialism as a term. but actual socialism, which doesnt exist in almost any modern governments).

@JonKramer

All he has to do is delay long enough to become president again and then he is immune again...

@georgetakei

@GeePawHill

Thanks for that. Some people are just beyond help and will spew toxicity in every thread like this guy, all while adding nothing of value. The sad part is how they are so counter-productive to their own claimed objectives. Sometimes I wonder if people like this are just russian-paid trolls trying to create fights where none clearly exist othewise.

@DoesntExist @aardvark @ariaflame @agilealliance

@DoesntExist

Oh nice, a new troll on a dead thread where the OP already apologized for the people like you disrupting the thread... please share your opinions, im sure we all care soooo much.

@GeePawHill @agilealliance

@TruthSandwich yea it is probably over now, I just forgot to remove the silence, which is why I did it just now :)

@GeePawHill Oh dont worry man, I know. You dont control how people respond on posts, you're good, but thank you for checking in with me.

@TruthSandwich Its because we had mastadon.social silenced due to the recent mass-spam from them. I just unsilenced them for you.

@kctipton For the record I have never voted republican and would never vote or support Trump.

@kctipton Again why would I go into examples when i have no reason to think it would be a fruitful discussion... but ok if you really insist on going down that road i can put out a few feelers to get a sense of if I think it would be productive to do a play by play and have a serious debate, to do that I need some sense if you are yourself on the far left first.

I can assume you subscribe to some, or many of the things on the left in terms of ideology, nothing wrong with that, but someone who isnt extreme left would show a balance, can you list some clearly right-leaning pieces of ideology you agree with that would counter any left-leaning ideaology you have?

Can you list any non-left politician you have voted for or supported for presidency (a republican, or even libertarian or right-of-center no-party candidate)?

While I think we both agree 99% of things Trump did as president was harmful, can you list anything Trump did that had at least some positive results (and no, doing stupid things ans strengthening support for the left or similar wouldnt count)? (honestly this one is might be a bit hard so not a huge deal if you cant)

In general can you give **any** examples of ways in which you might lean right on any issue or in any scenario, or do you generally just go straight down the left on everything 100% of the time?

I ask as a lithmus test to get a sense of if your even capable of having this conversation or if you are just fully team left in every regard, in which case it should be obvious why I wouldnt expect a conversation to be productive.

@kctipton

Yes you could point to lots of examples, just as I could point to lots of left wing examples... but that wasnt what I asked... Do you think listing examples of right-wing extremism to such a person would be a productive conversation worth having, or do you think they would just be blind to it all the same and you had wasted your time?

My point is I have not had any desire to actually get into the discussion because I already know how it will go, you will come up with exuses or deny the examples and we both would have wasted time, probably ending with you resorting to name calling or a block to feel morally superior... ultimately a waste of my time, so despite any goating I have little interest in having the conversation with someone i dont know.. if you were someone I knew enough to suspect that we could have a productive conversation then I'd be happy to

@andytiedye