🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@LouisIngenthron

Generally Canada is not considered a union in the same sense. They are part of the commonwealth of england but have effectively complete independence... But that aside no canada is just a bunch of prooviences.

The difference is in the very thing your arguing, the fact that states are self governing and can decide their own rules as to how they vote and participate int he union. The very existance of the mechnisms we are discussing, along with states having their own soverignty is what defines the difference. In short our states have much more indendence and self determination than a province does.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Oh and states in the USA **are** considered to have their own sovereignty.

@LouisIngenthron

There are also tons of countries that font follow your criteria (for example countries with no military, and which dont engage in their own diplomacy). None of that is required to be considered a state.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

We very much are a union of states. This has been well established since the earliest days of the USA.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@peterdrake

"those people" is a reference to the represenatives they are voting for.

No not every state is a simple popular vote per person.. depends on what represenative we are talking about (house, senate, electorate, mayor, governor, etc) and what state.

For example in some states it is common that each representative is just voted on via popular vote directly... in other states, particularly with the electorate, there is an all-or-nothing vote at play where all electorates pledges to the same person will win if a majorty of those electorates win. We also have some states that use first-past-the-post voting and yet others that use ranked-choice voting... It very much is a per-state thing and it varies a great deal from state to state

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

A union is a very specific thing... having lots of cultures and geography is not a union.. a union is a collection of nation-states.. I listed the three examples of unions that are most noted, there arent oo many others (the UK can be considered one but it is so irregular many of its members are barely treated like members, like canada, so its just not a good example).

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@volkris

Yes thats true, most people strugle a great deal with going off-script when it comes to politics (or even in general).

@TruthSandwich @freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

Thats a link to democracies, not unions, so not related... UNIONS all operate this way whether its the EU, the UN, or NATO.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

No we dont.. the state picks the representatives, the members of the state pick who those people will be. This is clear because each state gets to pick the rules for how their own representitives are voted for, this isnt determined federally...

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@volkris

Strawmen are @TruthSandwich 's speciality :) He is a good guy though, he just gets triggered if you say anything anyone other than a democrat has ever said and then goes off tangents...

@freepeoplesfreepress

@LouisIngenthron

They shouldnt, which is why within a state every person should have an equal vote for representation in that state. Therefore everyone has equal rights, and each state has fair representation as well without being overhelmed by the will of other states.

This is hardly a new concept, it is the way virtually every union of member states operates, with each state fairly electing its own governnance and then those respected governments each representing themselves in the greater union.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

There needs to be a way to protect states rights, to ensure larger states cant bullt smaller states into changing their laws... I am ok with any solution that does this, what we have is the best I know of so far.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

Yes its about balancing the two... States each have their own laws, their own governance and their own cultures (to an extent)...A state is more like a country in some ways.

Its a bit like saying the USA should be able to dictate what the middle east can do in the UN simply because we have more people... If a state wants to keep its population down, and its people are **responsible** enough to keep a low population which is healthier for the people and environment, they shouldnt be penalized for it... It makes a great deal of sense that each state gets its own vote that is only partly weighted by population, and partly flat.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

The vote still favors california in the cirremt scemarop/

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@LouisIngenthron

That is no more "true" democracy than any of the other many forms of voting that exist that arent that simplistic... nor does it address a tyranny of the majority as well, so no, id rather it not.

@thegonzoism @trinsec

@volkris @TruthSandwich @freepeoplesfreepress

EXACTLY! Its not misleading when the point is something different than what the point he wants to make is (which was clearly stated).

The point here is "outside of the cities almost anywhere you might be in america is red"

@IAmErik I agree this shouldnt be used to suggest the blue sections are unfairly dominating the red... instead it simply means if you are almost anywhere in the USA, you are likely in a red area as very few places in america are blue.... In other words... there are no blue states on blue cities as the OP states.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Yes but in the house the vote strongly favors california. It makes sense to me that the house shoukd be balanced for population and the senate flat. It ensures there must be both a majority acceptance, and a state-majority acceptance to pass new laws...

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Thats why we tweak the numbers as populations change to balance it again. Weve done it a few times iirc.

@LouisIngenthron @thegonzoism @trinsec

Sorry the phrase i meant to use was tyrwnny of the majority.