🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@mk Again posting this just shows you need tor ead up ont he base concepts first... see how your quote doesnt have the word "wealth" anywhere in it... that should be a clue to you. Wealth is NOT money.

@mk Nop im sorry that is not how wealth works.. you are thinking int erms of "1 dollar".. dollars are paper, they are money, they arent wealth. If you want to understand these base ideas so you can understand the bigger one, you first need a better understanding of what wealth is. You can probably understand that best when you think in terms of one or two people, but you are right in larger populations it gets more complex, but the same principles still hold.

@Gbudd

Honestly even within a company it isnt a 0-sum game, it just might be hard to see. I think it is most obvious (though not limited to) companies that sell a product, particularly when manufactured from raw products.

If I am a lumber company then cut and cured lumber has more value than a tree the dead trees I buy.. so generation of new wealth is clear and easy to quantify,

@mk

@mk What are you talking about, I answered this already here as a reply:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/110788714296101692

@mk The original post is about wealth not being a 0-sum game. No matter how much some have that does not imply others had to have less for them to have more.

To put that in simple language. If the whole world had only two people, and one had X wealth, the other Y wealth, it is possible (and in fact fairly common ) that both values can increase over time. In otherwords, everyone can get more wealth without anyone loosing wealth. Over time that has overwhelmingly been the case as is evident by the fact that we arent still living in caves.

@mk Regardless if thats true or not, it still isnt about the OP. I have no objection discussing the bigger problem, but that would deserve its own thread, not hijacking one of an unrelated topic.

@mk

Ok. still not related to the OP though.

@mk

Ok, not sure why you keep insisting on a topic that isnt what the OP is about.

@mk

Ok, 4 points that have nothing to do with the fact I stated, and doesnt change the fact that what I said is true.

To your 4 points I am not saying they arent real concerns, they are conversations in and of themself worth having.. But you, as people often do, are blinded by trying to argue "Wealthy people are bad" which just pushes you onto unrelated topics since my argument is not "wealthy people are good".

@TruthSandwich Nah, thats not what the math says.. That said there **are** issues where bad people with money cause those effects (and it should be addressed).. but to claim it is the direct result of moneyt distribution is just not in line with the reality. The truth is much more complex than that.

@ech

Because politicians and parties dont really care about fixing things, they care about what hypes people up the most.. Having an evil villain does just that, plus it helps distract people away from their own evil deeds.

@mk

@mk There is no claim here that there arent issues that are unfair in the economy.. but the simple existence of rich people is not a red flag.

Just a reminder, wealth is **not** a zero sum game. If it were we would still be living in caves.

@stux thermal vents make the most sense. Precursors may have come from an astroid, but I doubt the life was created from it directly.

@stux Well its not about that, though that is an interesting point as well... Its more about the fact that we know based on the way genes are conserved and mutate that multicellular life must have evolved from the single cellular life we have here on earth, not the other way around. So any seed of life must have been a single cellular ancestors.