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@icedquinn classic stupidity....

@TruthSandwich In its pure distilled form, sure... In reality these things dont exist in their pure forms. Which is why you can have something half-way between each, which is what virtually every nation on earth is, some combination of each.

@TruthSandwich they are social-welfare capitalists.. its not so much a slur as a misunderstanding about what socialism is, obviously its not the same as social welfare. Probably because social-welfare is closer to socialism conceptually than the corollary.

@jaysonmassey what qualifies as moderate to severe? I am considered "legally blind", meaning i am legally required to wear glasses when driving. Woukd i count?

@deegeese Nah, cops in the netherlands also wear guns. So my exposure there (where i also lived) was pretty much identical.

@deegeese

That is true, I wasnt counting that.

@stux

@stux

The idea that the usa is "obsessed" with gubs is propaganda at its most extreme. I spent most of my life in the USA and never even saw a gun except for once until i was in my late 30s.

@selzero @georgetakei

Yes. For example they support guns. That gives the individual ultimate freedom and responsibility even if it puts the collective at risk.

They dont beleive in the rich paying for the poors healthcare, leavibg each individual to sort it out on their own.

They are authoritative , much as the democrats are, in the sense that thry believe problems shoukd be solved by big governments with lots of rules and restrictions to help preserve those individual freedoms (the dems do the same but in an effort to preserve the collective ideal)

The liberal (non authoritative) right woukd be libertarians. They too beleive in the individual above the collective but feel this should be accomplished with minimal govt intervention.

@selzero @georgetakei

Also...

> "Supporting the troops in a war abroad for oil" is not an individualistic principle.

I specifically said right vs left is about social justice and personal rights and is divided individualistic vs collectivism.

So you are correct that is neither a right nor left principle since it doesnt deal with civil rights. It would however fall on the other spectrum of liberal vs authoritative.

@selzero @georgetakei

Where words stem from does not dictate what they mean today. Words evolve and their meaning becomes detached from the origins.

There is certainly opinion on how much something will fall under left or right. It is absolute scale but still opinion based in constructing it. That said it is still unrelated to how popular or common a thing is (which would make it relative)

@Pat I guess depends on the tjickness and type of insulation. good luck with thicker silicone insulations

@selzero @georgetakei

I will say it again, please try to take the time to ubderstand what im saying if you wish to discuss..

A principle is either left leaning or right based on if it is designed to prioritize collectism vs individualis. Wrt to social justice and rights. If something is collectivist or individualist has **nothing** to do with how many politicians adopt it or not... 100% of people on the right can adopt leftist principles. That doesnt make the principle any less leftist, it just pushes those right politicians closer to the center on an absokute scale for having adopted it.

As such in thr Uk the right is bunched up much closer to center with extreme right nearly nonexistant. Likewise the left is spread out more and extends farther into the extreme left.

@selzero @georgetakei

You keep missing the point. Europe is very strongly left leaning. So much so ghat no one is very far to the lrft at all. Those on thr right are still fairly close to center. As such the most right leaning politicians adopt many left leaning principles.

You have to try to listen to what is being said rather than just repeating yourself and ignoring the conversation.

@Strandjunker probably the same reason that a politician who actively tried to push to keep racial segregation alive is our current president.... because people are blind to the overwhelming evil of whatever side they support.

@selzero @georgetakei

Wbo said anythi g about socialist?

Just because something is rational doesnt preclude it from being left or right. There is no european coubtry where those principles are right principles. Anyobe who ubderstands the terms in europe would recogize them as left principles. Though some may be seen as left leaning principles all politicians on both sides agree to, they are still clearly left principles.

In virtually every

@selzero @georgetakei

Nope.

Here are her left leaning views:

* significantly higher tax on rich than middle class (not flat tax)

* Wants overturn of citizens united (allows corperate investing of large sums into elections)

* Supports heavy sanctions/regulations to end climate change.

* Government paid early vhildhood education and child care.

*Stronger restrictions on the ability to buy a gun

* Supports the ACA (tax paid healthcare and free healthcare for thr poor)

Etc

Now while she may be weak in some of the above issues, leadi g to a closer tilt towards center than other leftists, she is very clearly showing a pattern of center-left and not right.

In fact you have listed a single right leaning issue she supports, you only listed left leaning issues she is weak on. Which woukd push her towards the center not the right.

@foresterr that works too... the brand doesnt matter, i just find most people dont have strippers that go below 20 awg

@selzero

It refutes only one of your points, the only one ive disagreed with... namely the claim that the left right scale is relative when in fact its absolute.

@georgetakei

@selzero

Yup all correct, and the reason you can make statements like "thr usa leans right" is because the left right scale is absoljte, not relative. If it were relative to every coubtry then no coubtry would lean left or right, it would be relative to the coubtrys perspective.

@georgetakei