🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

Just a reminder @BetaCuck4Lyfe has a habit of going around and mocking vaccinated masked doctors who work with COVID infected people and catch COVID... Real piece of work.

Here is the link he has in his comment in the screen shot for reference:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/111098838468485625

This was in response to me pointing out some misinformation he posted to his page that would fuel anti-vaxxers, which apparently really pissed this dude off.

inb4: This was in response to me making a sarcastic comment that was clearly sarcastic in context but when shared out of context may be misleading... So be prepared im pretty sure his tactic will be to link an out of context quote but when you see the thread it is clear im arguing for the opposite. Luckily I took screenshots of his anti-vax/misinformation nonsense in case he tries this shit.

#Antivax #COVID #COVID19 #misinformation

@jgg

What? "They" has been used as a gender-neutral form similar to the gender neutral he for over 700 years. It is a well established part of the english language. What are you talking about?

@lonelyowl @Amikke

@TheGreatLlama

He is literally going around mocking vaccinated people who get covid.

He did it in private cause he doesnt want anyone know his bs

But yea im sure he is totally acting in good faith

@TheGreatLlama

Then why did you waste mytime and engage in a long drawn out discussion when your intent was to just refuse to actually have a discussion and waste my time giving you the respect of listening, considering, and responding, if your intent going in was to be offended you would even need to read my response?

You really dont see how your acting like a child right now I guess huh? I mean until this point you did seem represent and i had high hopes. But clearly I was mistaken.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@klawansky

To whom do you mean? The left? The right?

I dont expect either side to have a conscious from what I've seen.

More importantly, why are you twisting my words? Anyone who read what i said clearly could figure out I wasnt saying they have a good conscious, only that they followed what they felt was right rather than what the group told them to do.

@georgetakei

I have no love for the GOP my friend, but you are criticizing them for doing the one thing the democrats arent doing and should.... Vote their conscious rather than just agreeing with the group.

We **want** politicians who are there to vote whats right, not what their party tells them to vote.

@lonelyowl

Common mistake. That is a rule that has existed for quite a while, at least the 1800s and probably earlier.

@Amikke @jgg

@jgg

> Rules start to "change" when people stops following them and makes up new ones, and stabilize when the change is so widespread that is formally accepted and taught (i.e., when rules "change" officially).

Sure, thats correct... but no one is making up new english rules, and no one is following them. So what are you talking about? Weve had pronouns and gender forever, nothing about this is a change or new....

> Every year, new words and meanings are accepted; grammar changes are not so frequent, but still happen. The only exception are dead languages.

Sure, and we do have new words and occasionally grammar rules. I certainly agree they **can** chance. But unless your talking about something I am unaware of at the moment there are no significant changes being considered to english's grammar. Even its rules around pronouns are the same as always, and no new proposals there I know of (except for "Xir" stuff which has almost no adoption)

@lonelyowl @Amikke

@TheGreatLlama

So a lot to unroll here....

> Perhaps you should reread what he initially posted and what you initially posted. He never said that covid levels were *unaffected*. Nothing of the sort in fact.

Yes you are right, his wording was something more like, the levels are the same as before the mandate (since he blocked me I cant actually see the original wording).

> Knowing that Beta well enough to know his intent, I read your post as antivax/antimask/anti-lockdown

Why are you trying to divine someones intent rather than trying to figure out which facts are accurate and thus enable us to address problems? I dont know what his intent is, but it doesnt matter, he lied and that lie is harmful, he was called out for that lie.

If his intent was as you say, his response would be "oh my bad, let me correct this information so i dont hurt people"... I dont care if his intent is good, if it leads him to hurt people its not right.

As for reading my post as anti-* I can get that, my post was (obviously, as can see by the thread) sarcasm and mocking him for his very harmful "fact" and showing how and why that is harmful. Sadly sarcasm doesnt always translate well on the internet. But thankfully my responses make it quite clear im not anti-vax and just mocking him. So even if he or you made that mistake early on, not a big deal since I explicitly clarify it later anyway.

So whats the problem, as long as you are engaging people honestly with the facts on hand, and not trying to read their mind to gather intent, then that misunderstanding doesnt seem like a huge problem int he end.

> If it's still unclear, his point was that current infection rates are spiking and it would be good to take the kind of precautions you were early on.

If that is what he wanted to say, despite the fact that he said something different, then once the error in his original post was pointed out why didnt he correct his wording to me more clear rather than doubling downa nd attacking someone for being called out on claiming harmful information?

Saying rates are spiking is fair and worth mentioning... But trying to say its at the level it was before th4e mandates is a harmful lie, especially when the levels now are not even close to those levels (in some of the worst places its still 1/2 the rate, and in places like the usa its much smaller, at least 1/10th the rate or less depending on which data you go by).

Saying rates are going up is good, saying rates are exactly the same as pre-vaccine pre-mandate, that is no ok, regardless of intent it is a lie, it is harmful, full stop. Anyone who cared would have corrected their wording.

> If you want to argue more specifically than that, maybe go find someone who actually is doing covid denial to fight with.

I had no desire to "fight" with anyone. My original post didnt attack him, it addressed the content. He came back with personal insults and a fight rather than a discussion, or **any** willingness to listen to why they are causing harm or any willingness to do less harm.

The problem is exactly what you pointed out earlier.. his goal is not and never was to help the COVID community, thats just his mask. He is here to insult people and start shit and just is looking for a way to justify that as morally right.

This is obvious because both him and you were more concerned with "whose side is this guy really on" rather than "Are the things i am saying helpful and correct, are the things he is saying factually correct"? When people deal with the person rather than the substance of an argument, then you probably never had any intent to care about the substance of the topic to begin with, you came here just to white knight and let of some steam.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@Darkayne Yea it seems to be very random, the strain matters a bit but its mostly just random by the looks of it.

I have never felt any more than a little tired. Was maybe as bad as a mild cold, different symptoms, but same sevarity. That was the WORST, the vast majority of times i was positive I had no symptoms at all.

@gpowerf Thank you

Just got back from a camping trip and one of our gang tested positive for COVID...

Looks like this will be the 8th time i catch covid... we will see in a day or two. Lets hope this 8th round is as mild as the 7 before it.

@TheGreatLlama

I am not saying the point of the post was to discourage people from vaccinating... I am sure he decided to make up that lie about the levels being uneffected by mandates cause he thought he was being clever.

But the truth is regardless of what he intended to say, the fact is he lied, and that lie is one that is extremely harmful to getting people vaccinated or addressing the issue of COVID.

People spouting nonsense about levels being uneffected by 2 years of vaccine and mandates is NOT what people need to hear right now regardless of how well intentioned such a lie may be.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@mike805

That is a valid concern. Obviously if they had more sane policities on other things then they would have more success with their more reasonable policies like gun rights.

@mike805

> It is too bad that in the USA, expansive gun rights are often tied to Taliban attitudes toward women,

I have actually never heard these two associated in that way.

@TruthSandwich

Cheese curds are one of my favorites!

@lowqualityfacts

@bonifartius

I dont expect sane thoughts from any human on the internet, and not too many of them in person either.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe

@TruthSandwich

There is a little piece of Canada in all of us.

@lowqualityfacts

@jgg

but the rules arent changing, and there is nothing to stabalize... Virtually everyone is claiming is new gender language rules have been part of this language for many hundreds of years.

The only thing you can honestly say is new is "Xir" and other exotic pronouns... but those are mostly a joke and certainly isnt adopted on anywhere near the level to constitute a change in english rules .

@lonelyowl @Amikke

@TheGreatLlama

The point is, he is wrong.. the vaccines and mandates DID help. If it werent for them COVID levels would be much higher, and no, they arent at the same levels as before the vaccine.

Claiming the COVID levels are uneffected by the mandates and vaccine and after years of it we are exactly at the same levels as before is 1) anti-vaxx covid misinformation and 2) extremely harmful nonsense.

@BetaCuck4Lyfe