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@mzan

I am aware.. it was a simpler model and I think the evolution was larger a good one... the idea had to start somewhere.

And more important this speaks to the state of the world right now... Or at least the USA and most English speaking countries... We are so polarized it has become about the majority ruling and oppressive and explicitly silencing the minority (though who is the majority changes day by day)....

In fact compromise with the other side is seen almost as being on the other side and will make you the enemy if you even suggest it as a possibility to your own "team" (red or blue).

This failed view of democracy as a majority ruling against the minority that we have in the USA is exactly why we are headed straight towards either collapse or revolution... and until people start seeing compromise across the aisle as desirable again our course to that end will be inevitable.

🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱  
We have this misconception that #Democracy is executing the will of the majority... But thats not true. Any democracy that gives 51% of people what...

@sim

Well thats the crux whether we are talking actual radio or online coms... how do you create a filter that cuts out the noise and doesnt effect the signal.... that is an unsolved problem in most fields.

@LouisIngenthron

@kilroy_was_here yea.. i think there was some sort of digital or RTTY contest this weekend.. i found out later everyone had some "number" they exchanged.

We have this misconception that is executing the will of the majority... But thats not true.

Any democracy that gives 51% of people what they want, even when that is abusive to the wishes of the 49% will not survive, that leads to revolution... democracy has never been about majority rule.

What democracy is about is rule by the people, ALL the people. Any successful system will reach agreements that nearly everyone will be happy enough with so as not to pick up a gun and shoot the other side for oppressing them. Its about compromising enough that everyone can settle rather than agree.

This is exactly why the electorial college and other elements of government exist rather than a simple 51% rule... because we want to make sure any idea has atleast some level of support from most represented groups... so in the end the ones who may not like the vote can at least live with it.

@curtis

Sure.. but the federal govt, when run honestly, should represent the majority of the country.... So if you disobey it you disobey the 51%+, which is antidemocratic...

But then id argue against myself and say democracy isnt about appeasing the 51% and fucking over the 49%... democracy is about making everyone happy enough their willing to keep chugging along without shooting eachother... to do that you need to do more than appease just the majority.

(I think i need to write a top level post about this)

@todayilearned Calling something a living fossil makes no sense to me... They are **not** the same species as what was around 200m years ago. At best they resemble it, but over that period of time it is almost certain they couldnt interbreed even if superficially they might look similar.

@sim

Its not about being able to ignore it... its about noise..

When I listen to the radio with lots of noise, sure I can ignore it... but it means more of the signal is lost and i need to put in more active effort to hear and decipher the signal... Why do that if I have a filter that can turn off the noise, even if i can ignore it.

@LouisIngenthron

@curtis

Im not sure if following your own beleifs rather than following the central government is more democratic or less....

@raccoon

If you think its spam... sure... but if someone is making a comment that is a tangent but otherwise has some minor relationship to the topic, then that seems excessive to me.

@evan

@raccoon

Ahh ok.. it is good to hear a user doign that on a non-nazi server didnt cost the whole server to get blocked... that is much better.

That said any instance who would block a user from an entire instance simply for making polite comments that happened to engage a related but somewhat tangential topic.. that sounds like it would be a VERY toxic instance and not the kind of behavior anyone should be ok with, or encourage by reporting.

@evan

@khird

Ahh yes, our codebase has this fixed... its the upgrade to all the other stuff that is overwhelming and holding me back... its more than i can catchup with alone and despite offering to pay to hire someone to help no one as stepped up.... So i am struggling to get the code releasable even though this specific problem has been fixed int he code.

There are other issues behind the scenes too that are harder to explain .I have a system admin who helps run the code itself but he is trying to move away from custom hosting and thus ont he next release we need to prepare to move servers and me taking over without his help... which just adds to the fact that I have no help and we have gotten too big for me to go alone in terms of time commitement to keep up on code, release, and admin.

I have more freetime now so **maybe** i can catch up... but doing **everything** with no technical help is still a lot on a custom code base.

@austinrojers @mkljczk

@LouisIngenthron

I agree with this... unless someone is intentionally blasting hate at me for the sake of hate, id rather not blocka nd disengage.

@sim

not (just) grub, no. it's a new gnu project, still release candidate, a distribution of boot firmware for motherboards, the stuff that loads the boot loader. the flashable images contain grub though, because it's convenient.
https://gnu.org/s/gnuboot
https://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gnuboot/

you may have heard of GNU Libreboot before. it used to be free software, but it left GNU and then forked things up to embrace, expand and enable binary blobs to take away the freedom from its users. GNU boot is the continuation of what Libreboot should have never ceased to be, and thus the deserving recipient of all the praise and recommendation we used to place on Libreboot back when it deserving of that name, before it became Lie-breboot

Whats your favorite flavor of ?

@LouisIngenthron

I was just about to say something similar... the other thing that prevents open communication is if you go to a thread and there is so much hateful spam that doesnt even attempt to be constructive or have a conversation that the thread becomes tedious to follow or interact on at all.... so people who want a conversation just avoid it and the problem gets worse.

The only way to have healthy open communication is if you have filtering on some level... obviously filtering can be abused too so you have to address both sides for the viewer.... this I like louis's solution, one that empowers everyone to see what they want.

I mean hell i shouldnt be **forced** to see something just because I need to have open communication... if i dont want open communication, as idiotic as that is, that is my right.. I should be able to see what i want to see, and filter what i dont.

@sim

@LouisIngenthron

Ohhhh ok, yea that makes sense, youd have to turn that on to see replies regardless.

@sim

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