🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@voidabyss

> We can argue back and forth all day about history.

We can. And considering the gross misrepresentation of history you seem to be selling, I suspect we probably should.

> We can agree that scale matter a lot, whether in terms of slave trade impact on the European global dominance with a large network of slave colonies, or recent massive scale of use fossil fuels, the wars to control that trade and it’s impact on the planet in terms of climate change.

Scale matters in terms of effect, sure, but lets go back to your original claim being debunked:

> But Human considering others as subhuman or even another race, this is white European Elite Ideology.

The truth of this statement has **nothing** to do with scale. So while scale may "matter a lot" due to societal impact (and it does) that still has no relevance to the argument in debate at the moment.

@threalist @mike805

@thatguyoverthere

> I don't think trump has raped anyone. The era of me too has really lowered the bar for necessary evidence.

The reason i didnt list rape in my original examples isnt because it is less evil, but because the evidence is less direct and undeniable.. I mean he did rape that woman most likely, but i didnt want to waste time debating evidence.

The point is, you hardly need to recognize his rape to know he is evil.

@cjd @georgetakei

@SpaceLifeForm

I explain my issue here, its all around the unworkable (lack of) tab management:

https://qoto.org/@freemo/111167539594683461

@jeff

Took me a solid minute of watching thast before I even realized he was talking english :)

@cjd @georgetakei @raccoon

@DavidCorn RFK is a joke... i really wanted an alternative to Senile racist biden... but sadly I dont see many other options... RFK as a racist conspiracy theorist certainly isnt it.

@raccoon

I would tend to agree with you.. But in both directions.. Like for sure legit nazis (like actually wanting genocide and showing swastikas) are often called alt-right.. thats an understatement.

On the other hand, I've seen people called a nazi for simply having a nuanced criticism of the DNC... thats devaluing it in the other direction.

@cjd @georgetakei

@thatguyoverthere

Right, cause how biden is around kids has anything at all to do with if Trump raped a woman or not... Even if Biden literally had an orgy with little kids it still would not have one iota of relevance to if Trump is an evil person or not.... get this Biden is evil too, doesnt change a damn thing about Trump.

@cjd @georgetakei

@thatguyoverthere

> I still don't know how much I buy the "don't hire blacks" claim, but assuming it's true, if it was in the 60s or whatever I imagine it was pretty normal at the time, so trying to judge it by today's standards seems absurd.

Normality does not dictate morality. What is moral and right is judged by the people you hurt, not by the acceptance of others... Being normal to be evil in the 60s doesnt make less evil, it just means you have more people who will talk to you despite being evil.

> I don't take offense on other people's behalf, so him mocking the journalist doesn't offend me. I get that it's not couth, but it's not evil.

No one said anything about offense, his actions being offensive or not is not even being discussed. I said it was evil, not that I was offended or it was offensive.

> You'd be better to call him stupid than evil. Mocking someone who was probably talking shit and using the low hanging fruit (physical deformity) could be called dumb a lot easier than evil.

They arent mutually exclusive. While he is evil, he is also dumb.

> I still say if these are your worst examples of what makes him "evil" you have a very high standard. I'm surprised you can tolerate the fediverse which has far less self censorship than a presidential race. You'd be the kind of person to vote for someone like Trudeau who's evil acts actually hurt people but come with a nice smile and kind words.

No one said they were my worst examples... they just happen to be examples that were done in public in such obvious ways they are impossible deny. They are also more than sufficient to make it clear he is evil... thats all.

@cjd @georgetakei

@cjd

I mean sure... he raped a few people, mocked a disabled person for being disabled, specifically denied work to people for being black... but you know, he didnt murder **everyone** he met, and some people do, so calling him evil would be devaluing the word evil....

::hard eye roll::

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@cjd

> You are devaluing the meaning of the word Evil.

Why do people who always argue for Trump struggle so much with the idea that concepts exist on a scale, not simply are or arent.

Sayng there are greater evils that can exist is a piss poor (and childish) argument to try to make the case that something isnt evil.

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei

@mike805

Age isnt a huge issue, but Biden's senility is certainly an issue... Trump im not so worried about his age as I am his stupidity.

@thatguyoverthere @cjd @georgetakei

@voidabyss

> But Human considering others as subhuman or even another race, this is white European Elite Ideology.

Not really, racial superiority is a concept that is as old as time.

> Bullshit, how much many of "white slave" descendant live in North Africa right now? Compare that of black slaves descendant that live in US or European colonies.

What? You say its bullshit and then argue against something no one said... We said northern africa enslaved whites and we had to go to war to get them to stop... this is true... what does that have to do with the number that survived or live there today? I mean I made no assertions about that so no matter what the answer, how does that relate to if what I said was bullshit or not?

> They were act of ship piracy, yes! The European were the ones taking north African for slaves thought out history from the Roman Empire to recent European colonization of North Africa.

I mean the ship piracy certainly was a source of the slavery industry in norther africa... but white slaves were very much documented and a historical fact fromt he period.

> The slave trade has been forced to many African nations back then as they are now force to sell their natural resources for cheap.

Forced is a matter of opinion... These were wholly native blacks operating it locally, capturing, enslaving and selling other blacks. Obviously whites did come and buy those blacks, and that money is what encouraged the trade. But when those whites set off and sailed again those black people that remained, free black people, kept the business going until the next ship arrived.

> Classic history whitewash to justify the massive industrial scale of the European international slave trade.

I mean if you want to call actual historic facts white washing... go ahead... everything I said was true.

I notice again you talk about scale, and thats valid, at no point did I suggest the less populace nations with fewer resources were able to scale at anywhere near white nations... probably not... but also largely irrelevant. Per capita it was more or less the same, whites arent guilty just for being more industrial or there being more of them.

@threalist @mike805

@matrix I drink it then go around peeing on people.

@thatguyoverthere

Can you indicate any president that you know of that publicly mocked a cripple and/or explicitly told someone not to hire blacks?

If you know of anyone who wouldnt meet these criteria you think I would have supported I'm all ears.. cant think of one.

In fact I am extremely opposed to Biden for quite similar reasons, perhaps even less damning as far as prejudice goes.

@cjd @georgetakei

I just rage quit #Firefox / #LibreWolf ... I gave it a good try, solid week... its unusable for me... back to #chrome

@thatguyoverthere

I call him evil for the things he has done. If he does it publicly that just speaks the fact that he is OK with doing those evil things and doesnt feel being evil is something you should be ashamed of... so it may be marginally worse he doesnt hide it, but otherwise that has little effect on it.

@cjd @georgetakei

@thatguyoverthere

Its all a sliding scale... I dont think ive ever seen anyone run for president who visually mocked a disable person for being disabled.

The only person i can think of who has done anything remotely as racist as trump with public proof is biden...

Dontget me wrong most presidents have been evil too, but these are a unique sort of immorality that is not common in presidents... it also is a very small fraction of things they have done.

@cjd @georgetakei

@skylar@wolfgirl.bar

Who do you feel has different reasoning for their take than you? Me? Or Mr. Takei?

@thatguyoverthere @georgetakei