🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@niclas

Ok so far answer... not much you could do, youll probably die, but might inspire change through your death... Ok not sure that is a desirable way for that to go down but ill accept that at least.

Ok so the main idea is, anyone can leave or join a commune at their own risk.. they may rape and torture you they may just be mean and let you go... who knows...

Ok sot hat makes these communes as small nations, they can set any rules, and internally support eachohter and potentially fight with other communes or trade with them.

Ok so what stops one commune from getting so large it takes over all the space, and this commune sets rules that you arent allowed to leave, but even if you could leave they take up the whole country now so it wouldnt matter... you are back at a counter.

This sounds like modern day countries just with extra steps and starting from scratch again... But the end result (As it always has been hsitorically) is 100% of space will be owned and controlled by countries (or communes as you state it).

@Darkayne

@niclas

NP being a non-anarchist Libertarian I have never really had a chance to hear how people might address the loopholes I see. So I appreciate hearing your perspective.

It is yet to be determined if i see it as workable or not, but i do think the discussion is usedul

@Darkayne

@niclas

Ues but I am talking about before you get to the point where you have your own crew and set off...

You are born to a deadbeat commune, they are abusive... by the time you are old enough to realize they are abusive you say "I wanna leave and find my own people I trust and start my own"... the others hear you aand go "fuck you" then lock you up in the basement and torture you.... Thats where you are at right now...

Explain either what would have prevented this from happening at all (some govt regulating whats right or wrong and saving you)... or, how you'd get out of it... Or is your scenario and world one where now you just die ?

@Darkayne

@niclas

How does that work when your locked in a basement of the evil commune and they are torturing you... you wont have any way to call or obtain someone to defend you, and you cant defend yourself... So shit out of luck and you just die your dropped your guard for a moment?

@modrobert @Darkayne

@niclas

> Murder can never be morally acceptable, since it is violence. Burglary is violence, theft is violence. Threat to hurt you unless you comply, is violence. And the above is with one large caveat; "unless it is defending against violence".
>
> Why is that so hard to get?

It isnt hard to understand, it also isnt what I asked or said.

> From my PoV, you can set up your commune with laws and rulers, and people can agree to obeying with threat of caging and death if they don't... as long as I and others are not required to live there.

Oh so you are actually all for governments that use for an coercion. So long as you can leave.

Ok so how is it inforced that they let you? I mean they decide according to their rules you arent allowed to leave cause they dont like your face and instead you will be tortured for life... Since you said the rule here should be that you are allowed to leave, so when that rule is broken, who, in your system comes in and forces that commune to let you go?

@Darkayne

@niclas

Ok so how do you deal with people who generally today are only handle with violence or coercion.

How do you stop someone who is harming or torturing another without using force?

Presuming you are ok with using biolence to prevent a greater violence then who gets to determine that? Is it a court? In which case your back to governments that use violence... Is it some ransom individual? In which case you are back to a mob applying that violence.

@modrobert @Darkayne

@lxo
If the line between the rich and the poor is arbitrary to begin with then any comparison between them is just a arbitrary...

Dice it how you will but the rich and the poor do roughly the same total harm due to numbers... so anyone who is out there thinking the rich collectively are doing more harm than the poor collectively is just wrong.

While you can argue an individual rich persons harm is more even if their morality and actions are the same (such as not paying taxes).. sure, but then you have to contrast the fact that when the rich do good, the effects of their good actions are also magnified, and since they objectively contribute more to charity, yet another way it balances out.

@mzedp Ohhh touch schreen keyboards... I dunno, it would be harder to do with sound, maybe not possible.. but a simple RF based solution that reads the signal passing through the phone could probably do it.

Either way im sure you could get that information though the approach may be a bit different is all.

@lxo

> equal proportion, as in, a billionaire exploits any single poorer person a thousand times harder than a millionaire does, which makes them the biggest exploiters.

This is offset by the fact that there are millions of non-billionairs to every billionaire.. So the total harm done by one billionaire is far exceeded by the collective harm of a million non-billionairs.

> but I disagree, the rich don't exploit everyone else proportionally, they exploit those poorer than themselves a lot harder than they could exploit the richer, that in turn exploit them. so the poorest are the only group that ends up exploited by everyone else proportionally.

Nah, aside from there being way more poorer, generally the idea that the rich are going t exploit them more simply isnt true.. for starters statistically the rich are much more generous with helping the poor just in terms of percentage of their income they donate to charitable works. Not to mention generating wealth and jobs, but thats another matter

In the end the overwhelmingly larger numbers of the non-biollionairs will easily balance out (and exceed) that harm caused by the billionaires itself.. in the end all classes have a relatively equal responsibility to the problem.

@mzedp I need to dig up the studies to find the limitations.. but as I recall as long as the typing can be heard with reasonable enough quality it should be able to do it. It goes off the unique sound each key makes.

@kilroy_was_here Oh the CIA and other alphabet soup absolutely could... and they had tons of other ways.. TEMPEST I think it was called was another example.

What should I ink up my flex fountain pen with (for Copper Plate)... Sepia color ink, or high sheen ink?

Interesting fact of the day: Current technology can recover your typed keys with 96% accurately from only a sound recording of you typing.

@jrdepriest

I am the admin of one of a relatively large mastodon instance... Trust me your tone didnt even register as rude to me :) You're good

@LALegault

@SpaceLifeForm I used an extension which kinda does that in a more automated way... one window you flip between....

It was almost a solution except for the fact that its super buggy to the point that it almost makes things worse.