🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@realcaseyrollins

No not what I said, or at least not what I intended to say.

They generally integrate with the population for gurilla reasons.. when they "operate" out of a location with civilians its just wrong if they dont let the civilians evacuate (which has happened, israel has done the same).

The reason is, yes, because they cant build military installations. That isnt a reason to use civilians as shields, but it is a reaason to hold their operations in civilian meeting spaces.

As a reminder this aspect is quite common among gurilla warfare, for the "freedom fighters" to have meetings and gather in secret among civilians. Where it becomes wrong is if they launch attacks and use civilians as shields.

Now to the point of why they do this, yes, it goes back to what I said if they walk out to a field and try to build a military building then israel will just bomb it and kill them all off before they even have a chance. They certainly are under no obligation to commit suicide either.

@Miriamm @ech @kjetil_kilhavn

@diazona

To me with someone who tends to have 100+ tabs open lack of tab management is completely unworkable.

I tried various approches like using multiple windows with extensions to switch between them... all the solutions were buggy to the point of being unusable.

@ech @realcaseyrollins

Wha? It is absolutely not the case that they have no choice but to have military installations in the same buildings as hospitals/schools/residences.

There is a huge difference between a military installation and hamas simply being present. As we covered with both sides using human shields I am not claiming there arent instances of them doing just that, using human shields, as Israel has on multiple occasions. What I am saying is in the overwhelming majority of cases they bomb civilian locations simply because hamas are present at all, even when they are not using it for military purposes.

> You seem to be under the impression that Gaza is completely covered, every square inch, in civilian buildings? This is, *of course*, not the case.

So they all have to stand in an open field where the inevitable result is a few bombs to whipe them out in a matter of a seconds? When people fight for their freedom (and im not saying these guys arent terrorists), it is not unheard of for them to integrate with civilians in an attempt to be covert, when your on the loosing side this particular aspect is to be expected.. its only when they use people as human shields by actively attacking from a location without letting the civilians leave that it becomes an issue (something both sides are guilty of).

@Miriamm @kjetil_kilhavn

@ech

> "if that was the case they would have immigrated to Palestine and integrated" Why in the world would you think that? I mean, that would have been great, I guess, and it happened to some extent, *of course*. But the groups maintain their identities/religions/etc as they always have; I think to a large extent groups lived in separate towns, etc.

Because your trying to make the absurd claim they arent invaders, just immigrants... immigrants dont come with bombs and guns to take away your land, thats not immigrants, thats invaders, also called an occupying force.

As with any diverse country prior to the invasion there were a great many mixed settlements, and there were some that were primarily jewish or arab.. However the arabs in the area out numbered Jews 10:1, palestine had this makeup for many generations. Despite the overwhelming arab concentration jews were generally welcomed and even allowed to buy land... until they started invading anyway.

> "illegal immigrants" I don't think it was illegal, generally, was it? Why do you say that?

Depends how you view illegal. Early on they werent illegal, but at this point the overwhelming majority of ISraelis are illegal immigrants according to the people/governance who have the right to control that land (palestinians).

> I suggest you don't know what you're talking about here? This seems like the other day when you claimed there was never a nation called "Israel" before 1940s?

I misinterprited what experts had said on a reading.. when challenged I reread and changed my opinion... Perhaps you should use that to recognize that I am willing to consider counter evidence and easily change my views when proven wrong.. Would go a much longer way than using it as a weapon against someone simply for making a mistake, and learning from it once. Should be proof that I wont continue to assert a thing if there is evidence to the contrary.

> Again: none of this has anything, at all, whatsoever, to do with whether Israel is justified in the manner in which it is prosecuting this war against Hamas, or other punitive things it does like bulldozing suicide bombers' houses, or whether or not it is being negligent in policing settler violence, or, even whether the Arab invasions and continued rocket attacks justify the sea blockades of Gaza, etc, etc, etc.

Ummm, who is the invading and occupying force has **everything** to do with if ISrael or anyone else has a right to continue a war... like a lot to do with it.

The fact that botht he Hamas and Isrtael are committing atrocities and war crimes left and right, and have been doing so for 80 years certainly doesnt give anyone a pass for their continuation of such war crimes.

@kjetil_kilhavn @niclas @Miriamm @samuraikid

@trinsec I am all for trying it out at some point.

Chrome has the advantage in terms of support and out of their 30 or so extensions on one did what I wanted (automatically generate tab groups based on rules)... so id be pretty impressed if they cover that as a smaller entity.

Tab groups are nice but its only half the equation... being able to bring up collections of tabs and have them automatically grouped wills ave me a lot of time in terms of productivity.

@trinsec Breifly... it threw errors when i tried to run it and i didnt have time to investigate what was up.

Man what a sigh of relief now that I'm back on #Google #Chrome moving back from #firefox

I can be productive again!

I even stepped up my game and added an extension that initiates auto-tab-groups based on rules. Then I setup a bunch of collections in my bookmarks. So now I can open up all my starting tabs at once and they will all auto sort into their appropriate groups!

I love a good organized work space!

@ech

And while I agree the hamas commiting attrocities would be a reason to consider stop saying it, the fact the israel has commited similar or even worse attrocities over its reign negates that fact.

Neither side is right, both sides are littered with war crimes, both sides have used children intentionally as human shields... no one gets a moral pass.

@kjetil_kilhavn @niclas @Miriamm @samuraikid

@ech

Its not "refugee immigration" if that was the case they would have immigrated to Palestine and integrated, they did not.

By collectively, as immigrants, stealing land from someone else, then invading it with missiles and guns and military, is absolutely an invasion.

> There were waves of immigration from 1900 on, predictably leading to tension and violence against the immigrants. (Britain I think did not do a great job dealing with this in a number of ways!)

Unfortunately illegal immigrants tend to cause a lot of anger and violence.. it isnt right. But that doesnt excuse the genocide that followed.

@kjetil_kilhavn @niclas @Miriamm @samuraikid

@Romaq But he did say which one.. the problem is he whispered a different answer in the other guys ear.

@silverpill not a drop in. But it should be fairly trivial to replace that with really any other service that can store and recall data you might want.. with a bit of recoding.

But the DB layer is pretty simple to redo if needed. It just needs a place to store and recall stuff in json format. Firebase was chosen simply because the code I was basing by stuff off of was already using vercel and firebase.. easy to replace though.

@neggles from qoto or from fedipage/flear?

@silverpill sorta. Vercel is just used for the active parts (like following accept). If you runbit truely passively then the site will be viewable from the fediverse but following wont work.

As for running it actively, you could in theory move to any service where you can run the api end pooints. With some extra coding a few tricks might be possiboe too.

@kjetil_kilhavn

Before Israel was formed and the invasion started there were 10 times more arabs than jews in the region.

@niclas @Miriamm @samuraikid

@niclas

if the guy is in this thread ill be happy to talk to him... Otherwise i have little interest in a video. If you want to make a point from that video however I'm all ears.

@kjetil_kilhavn @Miriamm @samuraikid

@niclas

> The Arabs have consistently rejected the two State solution that has been proposed since 1897 or so.
> The Israeli haven't.
>
> End of moral high grounds.

It is their country, they were there and were invaded.. they are under no moral obligation to accept a 2 state solution. Jews were allowed freely in the palestinian state, there was a working one-state solution. Then the Jews wanted to steal the state fromt eh palestinians and think they have the moral high ground? They lost the moral high ground the second they invaded and started taking land.

@kjetil_kilhavn @Miriamm @samuraikid