🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

@stux

And I agree the world is laughing and crying at us right now.. first for electing an asshat clown like Trump, and then for electing a racist senile asshat like Biden in the very next go... with one incompetent president after another we look like fools.

@RandomDamage

Indeed.. the problem is a law abiding business int he usa,a s far as i know, wouldnt need to report crypto transactions in the same way largely because it would be impossible to know if you have one big buyer vs lots of small buyers due to the anonymity.

@stux

@stux

I mean, pointing our Joe is racist and senile, isnt to say that Trump isnt also racist and, well not senile but an idiot... sure.

But Joe is our president, not Trump, and while the lesser idiot, the greater in terms of senility for sure.

@ech I am not saying you dont know the history... just that i expect you to know it in a level of detail that might be excessive (such as the terrorism carried out by immigrants int he 1920-1947 era by jewish terrorist groups that largely started much of the problems)

@stux Why not... your (us) the ones voting the people with dementia... means a lot... maybe if people llistened to me when I said "dont vote for racist dementia ridden joe" we wouldnt have him... but noooo, im a nazi for pointing that out or something apparently.

@RandomDamage

Sure lots of ways you can spend money illicitly... But int he USA the rule is above a certain amount then the transaction must be recorded.

@stux

@stux Yea, but thats because younger people voted for them... The demographic of the people in government is MUCH older than the people voting for them.

So your choosing them (us)

@stux whaat do you mean "when ouyr time comes" ... its your time right now... please stop burning it down, this is all you guys right now (and by you i include myself as im the older end of the newer generation taking over)

@ech

then you dont think its privilage at alll, since I cant afford to loose it? In that case we agree :)

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@RandomDamage

The problem is cash has rules.. try to take out large chunks or deposit large chunks and any reputable bank must report you. I think thats the crux of the problem.. not the forensics.. just the fact that governments cant control the flow of money anymore at all.

@stux

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Oh no worries I have no ill will towards you evil, and I certainly dont mind you disagreeing. If anything I very much welcome disagreement and would say you should feel free to interject.

Yes me being so blatantly frank about my opinions can get me in a lot of trouble... it is trouble I welcome as it usually gets the toxic people who cant be respectful to block me based on opinion alone... my feed is quite pleasant as a result usually with amazing people like you :)

I will say your stance has caused me to reflect on things like native americans and other issues... and I do agree there is some room for refinement and consistency... Generally where i am slowly starting to lean towards as a general rule is "A person has a right to citizenship wherever they are born, and a right of return to wherever their parents were born, or, anyone alive when they were born"... This mostly works for me, but it creates this sort of messed up situation where as long as acountry to annex another for at least one generation they have legal claim over it that cant be reversed... and that seems like too easy to take advantage of.

@ech

@ech Hahah this is true... as I said im sorry if i wasnt more clear at various points... I do tend to assume others know the history well enough to know from context what I mean... a fault of my own not yours.

@RandomDamage

As someone who has dealt with the math behind economic models quite a bit I am very careful with my words... Look at what I said again:

> That is a fallacy of economics.. wealth is not a fixed quantity, things that provide utility cause wealth to be created (and can also be destroyed)

Notice I start by talking about wealth, and then only connect that to money/currency... that is very important. Money is not wealth, but it has a relationship to wealth.

Wealth is created (its not out of nowhere though).. the creation of wealth effects the value of money, which over time will usually effect its quantity should there be someone printing it..

The wealth is the important part, the physical amount of currency not so much.

@stux

@bonifartius @LoganFive @Baley

This was uncalled for... despite what you may feel about masks this poor lady just went outside to eat.. if she wants to mask let her mask, she isnt hurting anyone...

Now I do understand you might be upset over vaccine mandates, and as you know I dont support mandates though I do support vaccinating... but she said **nothing** about that... all you heard was she was treated bad for wearing a mask and decided to tell her it was justified....

Come on Boni, your opinions aside you've always been better than that, kinder than that.

@ech

Not privilage.. if I lost what I have in israel I would not be able to afford to feed myself...

So its far from the fantasy of me being so privilages i can afford to loose it.

In fact what little privilage I have i recognize, as israeli in nature, is due to the exploitation of palestinians and as such I am simply willing to loose everything because what is right is more important.

shame on you to assume its because im so privileged it doesnt matter.

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@ech

> “I am talking about anyone who chooses to move to israel fromt he first day of its founded” Oh my I am so confused :) You appear to be going back and forth between making it clear that we’re talking about pre-1947 then making it clear that we’re talking about after the state is founded.

Because both time periods are relevant to the discussion... 1920 - 1947 was the start of the invasion in one form (british being the primary occupying force and the jews forming their own paramilitary groups as well).. and then 1947+ was when the invasion was taken over by the jews (now isralis) and britain left.

We cant talk about either phase of the invasion independently.

> I think at this point I pretty much have no idea what you’re saying.

Sorry about that.

> “Yea well it would be alot different if you lived in israel…” – see here you’re talking about alleged problematic actions by Israel today, and I feel like I’ve made it pretty clear I’m not talking about that (My like whole point is what you say here: “this isnt a matter of history”). We’re just talking past each other.

No no every point in time matters... Today is just the history we are still making.

You cant have this discussion without talking about the area pre-1920, 1920-1947 and 1947 to present... The full picture needs to be discussed if you ever want to reach an udnerstanding.

@LouisIngenthron Sure it does.. its open-source... if a bug exists its yoru fault for running the code without reading it first and fixes any bugs... duh!

@stux

> Encryption is used so widely for so many things so prob 99% of it's usage is for good

Ok so your saying we should adopt crypto currency and have it replace 99% of money cause then you can say its used for 99% of things and therefore mostly used for good?

Hey its your logic man im just rolling with it :)

> and encyption doesn't cause millions damage each day over and over

Sure it does... everytime someone does something illegal that costs millions in damage, anything, if they didnt have encryption then they wouldnt have been able to do it because everything they say or do can be listened in on... you cant cause millions in damage if you arent allowed to have any secrets...

You think those huge companies that cause tens of millions in **intentional** damage to society would be able to get away with it if they didnt have encryption?

Wait regulation only should apply to big companies? No, it should apply to everyone.

I never said I was against regulation. I said I was against your view of cryptocurrency as a bad thing, in particular that having privacy around my money is bad... regulate all you want, but do so without infringing on my right to privacy.

> how can you be against setting up a system that prevents massive theft?

I am not, so long as you dont try to take away my freedom of privacy to do it... and so long as you dont prevent me from deciding myself how I want to trade with other people.

@ech

@ech

> Right. That is one of my like 2 central claims here. I’m glad that came across clearly. ;)

It did yes.. and calling immigrants who arive with guns and tanks shooting the other side simply "immigrants" rather than what they are, invaders is highly inaccurate.

> I did, many times. I do feel like you aren’t reading my clarifying questions sometimes; if you want to use hyperbolic rhetoric to describe things, I’d appreciate it if you would throw me a bone! I’ll try to be more concise and clear. Maybe that was part of the problem.

As far as I know every time you asked for clarification I gave it to you. If that is not the case please feel free to let me know what I missed... Once I made it clear what I meant i continued to use the phrase, expecting you to now understand it. again if you remain unclear just ask.

> Ok again I don’t know what this means. I will ask to clarify. Are you suggesting that the Jewish refugees from Russian pogroms in the early 1900s were all professional soldiers that came off the ship with guns ablazing, killing all the Arabs they could see? (That seems obviously not remotely the case but you keep saying this so I am confused!)

In israel since its formation until the present day anyone who comes and immigrates there must serve int he IDF for several years as a condition of their citizenship (including those born into citizenship). Meaning these immigrants, when they landed, knew they would have to pick up a gun and shoot a bunch of native palestinians in order to earn their citizenship and be allowed to immigrate there.

So no they werent just immigrants they were comatants, invaders who were awarded immigration as well, but were combatants first.

The law that requires immigrants to fight was established as one of the **first** things when Israel was founded... so yes they are all combatants first, immigrants second.

> Again, mystified. Are you for reasons unknown talking about the state of Israel’s conscription policy? (Which was instituted much later than the events we’re discussing? Or at least I think they are haha…)

Yes I am talking about that, and no it wasnt established much later. The policy was enacted when israel was first formed. Prior to the formation of Israel it was the british who were the combatants, so either way it was a consistent invading force.

> The Jews did militarize throughout the early 1900s after the violence caused by the immigration-related tension, is that instead what you mean? Just curious: was this mandatory-participation? Can you point me to a source about that? (Not that I consider it all that significant, but I would find it surprising.) (Incidentally and apropos of nothing, this militarization is probably why they won the 48/49 war.)

We are talking about IDF mandatory conscription, which again was on the books since the very begining of the founding of israel.

> Again, unclear: are you still talking about colonial empires (Turks/Brits)? (That feels like the context here, maybe.) If so: again, I wholeheartedly agree. In talking to you here I’m wondering if, in a sense, this is all their “fault”: if the area had been locally governed by a just and popularly-supported government all those centuries, they could have maybe done a much better job managing any waves of refugees during the 1900s. (This would not be the only example of intractable violence after the dissolution of colonialism in the latter 1900s!)

I am talking about anyone who chooses to move to israel fromt he first day of its founded knowing they would be taking land away fromt he natives and would have to pick up a weapon and terrorize them.. anyone who is a part of that is int he wrong.

> 1) The motives or color of the Jewish immigration ~1900–47. You seem to be imputing evil (e.g. “invasion”) to, what, like a half million people, over many decades, many of them escaping genocidal violence. To me, that always seems suspect: there are definitely times when this sort of thing has happened, but the null hypothesis to me is always going to be: mostly people just trying to live their lives, with some assholes. There is a huge tendency though generally to ascribe evil conspiratorial motives to anything the Jews do throughout history, so this coloring is not surprising. (Again though you made a good point about the British probably making things worse in a variety of ways.)

So to be clear, no....

1920 - 1947 the invasion was carried out by the british as the occupying force, but during this time jews immigrating in were not strictly required to join the jewish terrorist groups, though many did by choice. During this time you had the Irgun and later the offshoot Lehi group which were the paramilitary arm of the jews migrating there during this time. Their goal, along side the british (and sometimes against them in the case of lehi) was to commit all sorts of horrific terrorist acts towards the palestinians. Int he case of Lehi their stated goal was to create an israli state so they can have uncontrolled immigration and take over and expel the arabs and british.

From the moment israel was formed this terrorism became mandatory and it was integrated into the IDF, and now all immigrants were required to join, rather than just joining cause they wanted to.

> (2) How much (1) matters when describing the moral implications of what Israel or Hamas or anyone else is doing in modern times. You have what I feel is kind of an idealistic desire to right all historical wrongs. To me I feel like a pretty extreme take on (1) would be necessary to justify the kinds of things you’re talking about, like “invasion-by-good-guys”, reparations, ethnic cleansing and mass forced migrations, etc. And even then I don’t think they would justify them: several generations have passed and your proposals would cause truly enormous, trail-of-tears–level, human suffering. (But see below about how we probably do agree on a lot!)

Yea well it would be alot different if you lived in israel like i did and see the horrible abuse the Israelis enforce on palestinian day after day... In the entire 2 years I was there they had parts of gaza strip intentionally without water or power as a punishment to the citizens (something amnesty international has called them out for before)... I have seen first hand what they do , this isnt a matter of history, its about the fact that they are STILL doing it.