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@iamadequate

> I'm sorry, do you think "the left" is a hive mind, a massive caricature that you can equate with one person?

That would depend on which left we are talking about. In the USA, yea they are sadly largely a characteture of themselves. To a lesser extent this is true of most english speaking nations. But most of the left in non-english countries tend to be more accepting of nuance and discussion and I wouldnt be so quick to describe the left in the rest of the world in such ways.

That said even in america there are a select few on the left who dont fit that description. But its still a very large overwhelming majority

> It is not possible to extrapolate what a handful in a group of billions of people said and compare it to the statements of one person.

Agreed, but it is possible to extrapolate from what the overwhelming majoirity of a group says and compare that to the behavior of individuals. Which is mostly what I did there.

> but saying so makes you feel better about yourself and playing the whataboutism logical fail game as you dehumanize over half the world's population

As someone who is on the left myself, no, it doesnt make me feel good that the side I prefer behaves this way, much the opposite.

@khird My guess is that im much higher largely because I am typing as I think rather than transcribing from a piece of paper, where I'd expect ill be slower.

But yea ill be happy to, i never got lower than 140 on a test I took before (as a child i was at world record levels for the time).

Just a reminder, palestinian civilians are not allowed to own guns, this is restricted in the Oslo accords.. So **any** argument about the Palestinians allowing the hamas is invalid.

In that sense one can say that the existance of Hamas is entierly on the shoulders of israel (the ones who enforces the oslo accords)

#Israel #Palestine

@mike805

Hardly limited to being weak and stateless. The ISraelis have continued to commit war crimes and terrorism repeatidly. They have even been accused as such by multiple agencies and called to court to be held accountable to those war crimes (such as using small children as shields and intentionally punishing civilians in war).. They just refuse to go to court and be tried..

Both sides are terrorists, right now, actively.

@RodneyPetersonTalent

@mike805

As someone who sides with palestine overall, I agree entierly with this... and that person is now literally proving your point out as we speak... its extraordinary to see.

@RodneyPetersonTalent

@RodneyPetersonTalent Jeesus christ how much is Trump paying you to make the left look like asses, please stop. The man didnt even take sides, he just pointed out your complete inability to have an honest conversation about the issues from both sides... your response is to double down on your absolutism and even attack him... holy hell.

@RodneyPetersonTalent

Pretty sure he was refering to the lefts support for Palestine. You did seem to prove his point wonderfully though if that is what it was.

@mike805

@RodneyPetersonTalent @DaveFernig @mike805

I highly doubt he was suggesting their perspective is a good one.

@mike805 That probably has less to do with culture and more to do with leadership.

@lowqualityfacts

shame, his dream was to be a geologist

@mike805

Im not sure that tracks.. Seems like the correlation has more to do with womens rights and when they became defined (if at all) rather than specifically when rape was outlawed.

@deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent

@DaveFernig

Thats a complete non point for me and I think it only came up as a question at all to make a vain argument for abortion. While I do support abortion I dont think "when a human exists" is a meaningful or even useful question. The only question to ask is "When does this creature have thought, feelings, and can suffer or have desires" As long as the baby is capable of thought on any level IMO it is wrong.

@mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent

Someone needs to do a Nifty Fifties that is historically accurate, segregation and all, as a random thing at a store for a single day just to bring awareness to racism... I feel like someone just walking in there and seeing thast, and living it as if it were real might be quite impactful. Sadly I doubt it would ever happen as a lot of people would also be s=very upset.

@mike805

Rape probably wasnt risky during caveman days.. or i should say, far far less risky. IF your stronger than the woman, without a society whats the risk? Only risk is the woman might kill you, which is a valid risk, but presumably minimal if the man is stronger (or with a group).

Perhaps thats the issue, we evolved that trait back when the risk was low and now that the risk is high our evolution hasnt fully caught up.

@deegeese @RodneyPetersonTalent

@deegeese

No they wouldnt, I am not proposing making abortion illegal illegal in this thread.

If you mean in the case where abortion is illegal (unrelated to this thread by thats ok) then yea, you choose to prioritize the rights of the unborn child over the emotional trauma to the mother.. IT is one reason why any extreme on either side isnt a good one.

@mike805 @RodneyPetersonTalent

So seems my keyboard is showing a WPM of anywhere between 140 - 160 for me (this is after correction for errors and the standard penalty)... however my accuracyis showing as only 96%. I think It is largely due to the new keyboard though. I expect as I get used to it my accuracy may rise a % or two.

@mike805

I think it may be that the right just doesnt put a priority on keeping trolls out. I guess they feel the free speech is too important a principle. As with most things Im a mix of both, im fine with keeping blatant trolls out but generally feel that we should give more leadway to open discussion than censorship without ignoring either.

What is "their side" when it comes to the left? Israel? From what I've seen the conflict has been divided on the left (some strongly in each camp) so the left doesnt have a clear side... The right however seems to be 100% against Muslims (as their religious hatred always seems to take priority) and with either support or indifference regarding Israel. Largely the right just seems happy they are killing muslims meanwhile the left cant make up its mind about iif jews are a whites or not so they cant decide if they are ok to hate or not.... yea its a shit show.

@RodneyPetersonTalent