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I am reading, but you wont get a response from me on the rest or any more detail for like 2 days. Lets late and I have a trip tomorrow. ButI did read everything, just no time to engage further sorry. But thanks for your respond=ses

@artemesia @evacide

@done

> stumbled upon this thread, first off I understand your experience doesn’t reflect the situation being described in the article,

Of course not, which is why I didnt limit it to my personal experiences. As I stated I asked several people who would be experts in this field and none of them heard of such a thing.. That is the telling part, my own personal experiences only prompted me to doubt the article, more so due to its complete lack of citations or evidence to back itself up.

> but you have to realize for any outside observer this is a logical fallacy

Which logical fallacy is that? As far as I know consulting with multiple experts, when there is a complete lack of evidence present would not be a logical fallacy. Closest one I can think of would be if I stated my expertise superscedes evidence. But when no evidence is provided I cant think of any possible fallacy you could refer to that would apply to seeking expert advice from multiple third parties.

> You’re placing a burden of proof based on your lack of personal experience to validate what the article proposes, and you’ve provided no evidence except anecdote.

Other way around. The OP/Article make an assertion with no evidence requiring the reader to have the burdon of proof and seek to prove what the article claims. Since the article provides no evidence and it has the true burden of proof it is automatically invalidated regardless of if I provide evidence or not. The fact that I took the time to check with experts anyway satisfies my own requirements for evidence, but is rather irrelevant to if it provs it for anyone else since the burden of proof was never mind=e and never satisfied.

> So please be aware that it comes off as contrarian.

You are welcome to think that... just as this introduction leaves me concerned that you may be unduely antagonistic and biased going in.

@artemesia @evacide

@freemo @artemesia @evacide I’ll operate in good faith and assume that you are genuinely curious. Your personal experience I assume goes into small business loans and residential real estate. I presume your experience does not go into either multi story office spaces or multi unit retail spaces. Most are corporately managed, and due to the significantly greater property values of shopping malls and office spaces are also not owned by small investor groups. 2/?

@raintrees Sure but here we are talking about someone who doesnt know their going to die, they just make bad choices they believe in.

@Gbudd It certainly isnt an easy question... I will have to give my response to you some thought.

@freemo That’s a really interesting question! Putting my EMT hat on, if they’re competent they get to refuse an intervention but in practice those are hard calls.

More generally it kind of depends on other factors. For example, do you let someone ignore a mandatory evacuation knowing they may want to be rescued later at greater risk to all concerned?

It’s a thought provoking question. I’d lean towards answering “Yes” in the abstract and mostly in practice but I’m willing to believe there are circumstances where I’d be open to “No” and I can’t come up with a consistent limiting principle.

@freemo I wasn't sure of the scope of your question, so I didn't answer. Suppose a paramedic refuses to provide lifesaving care to a person injured in a car crash, because the injured person was clearly at fault. In a sense, the paramedic "let someone die" who was "unwilling but otherwise capable" of following the rules of the road, which in this case is "what was needed to stay alive". That's quite a different situation from the decision to, say, force-feed a hunger striker.

@khird It was intentionally without scope, as I want to know what peoples general principles are in evaluating this in **any** scope.

That said I should have been clear that I am not considering if we should punish someone for **past** decision that they recognize is hurting them in the present.

I am talking about someone who makes a clear choice for their future on the assumption it is in their best interest but everyone else knows it will result in their death.

I was thinking in regard of homelessness as an example. If someone refuses to obtain skills and therefore cant afford to feed themselves should we feed them but force them to aquire skills. But then I wanted to apply this more generally... should we stop an alcoholic from drinking even if in the moment they think its what best for them.... etc.

Interesting results.... not what I expected.

🎓 Dr. Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱  
Should we let someone die who is unwilling (but otherwise capable) of doing what is needed to stay alive?

@kopimi

To give a bit more context, people were threatening and accusing me as well.. So i stepped down and gav eup all authority to a new democratic leader in a show of fairness, and was willing to withdrawl QOTO and have my server apply once the org was established.

But since he seemed like an easier target to scare than me (I assume) he got death threats and eventually stepped down as well for his own health. So apparently QOTO was less of the problem than people claimed since even withdrawing didnt help

@enbyss @TechConnectify

@kopimi

It was worse than that. Death threats were made on their life including a very graphic video of a murder that was sent along with the threat... It was quite nasty stuff. It was also what killed the UFoI as no one was willing to be part of an organization if people were literally threatening to kill anyone who joined.

@enbyss @TechConnectify

@rimugu And also not a legal charge. You can **not** have resisting arrest as a legal charge in most states unless you have a valid charge for the arrest. In fact if you can prove the original arrest is invalid in most states that would cause any resisting charge to be dropped.

Its the same idea as how they cant arrest you for something they notice when they pull you over if the original reason for pulling you over is found to be invalid.

@admitsWrongIfProven well no because there is the scenario where they think they are doing wbats best to survive when in reality they will die as a result

@realcaseyrollins Yes I figured thats what you mean.

But not most chat apps are decentralized and not peer to peer.

Blockchain, well, like i said, that depends.

@realcaseyrollins

I guess that depends on who you ask. Trump invokes strong opinions from the GOP fpr sure. That seems to range from hatred all the way to extreme loyalty. I would say rather than being hate by the GoP he has simply polarized it.

@camstonefaux @georgetakei

@realcaseyrollins

Depends on the app, most are not P2P at all, some are, at best, decentralizaed.

@camstonefaux

About the same thing it does that the DNC elected the first president in living memory who started his career by fighting to keep segregation alive... worse yet he said he was doing it for his son who he didnt want to be raised around people of other races in a "racial jungle"

Sadly while your assessments about GOP and Trump are valid, they hardly make the DNC look superior in the least.

@georgetakei

@realcaseyrollins Agreeing with him or not isnt really my top concern. I mean he plays the "im going to repeat every talking point of the right to a tee so i can be more famous" whole thing that they do. And I dont care about that.

But all he does is complain about the dumbest shit on youtube videos that no one has even seen half the time. Like clearly he spends all his time just watching anyone do literally anything and just sits there and whines... even if you agree with him there comes a time you gotta just not wanna hear how he is scared of little suzzy cause she wears rainbow hair.

@rreusser No worries there. I just wanted to set the record straight. It does sound like something china would do :)

@rreusser

This information is entierly false, there is no such mark for "China Export" let alone have a special kerning.

This was a false internet rumor that was spread by a misdescribed incident some time back, but it was just a mess up and never had there been a "CE" meaning "China Export".

You can read about it here:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marki

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