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@PonyPanda

I mean even when the "war" wasnt on like it is now they had power and water turned off inpalestinian territories as punishment... Them commiting war crimes, along with palestine, has always been par for the course

@kravietz

@trinsec

Its a horror flick about this leperchaun who in the early series lives in this crazy magical tree of horror with a pot of gold and he is obsessed with his gold.

Usually the plots revolve around someone find one of his coins or a whole pot and taking it (not knowing it was anything other than gold) and then the leprechaun chasing him down and killin in various weird ways, usually granted a wish or making a bargin that winds up killing the person with the gold and allows the leperchaun to get it back. Sometimes he just kills the guy quickly and takes the gold too.

Its clearly meant to be a real slasher horror show but they do it in a sort of semi-comedic way where its horror that kinda makes fun of itself a bit in how low-budget and weird the whole thing is.

@PonyPanda

Exactly, and thus my whole point.

When I argue palestinians right to the land I never use anctient arguments. I use the fact that these are the people born to the land with multigenerational ties to the land today. That is what gives them the right, not their dna or the bible or any other nonsense.

@kravietz @realcaseyrollins

@PonyPanda

What does DNA have to do anything. I never said DNA should matter.

A parent can only pass a single item to a single child at a time. Typically if your many generations removed even if one out of a thousand of your ancestors is jewish or cannite or anything else that does **not** show inheretance rights to a plot of land. And unless you were born there (or if you want to be a bit lax your living parents were born there) you dont have a right to citizenship either.

@kravietz @realcaseyrollins

@nachocarreras

> From what I see @Raccoon has tried to fool you too.

No one fooled me. He simply pointed out the post and asked me to take a look. The rest was my own conclusions.

As I said I do think your intent was to send an anti-zionist message. That is why i am not taking any moderator action, as there is nothing wrong with that.

But it is very easy for someone seeing that meme to see it as anti-jew. There is nothing in the meme, and no text for context, that would tell anyone it is anti-zionist, when standing on its own there is no rteason any reasonable person would draw that conclusion, even if that is your intent.

> 1 asked me to remove the ironic cartoon from a Spanish digital newspaper arguing that it was offensive to Jews on hanukkah.

You mean he asked you to remove it from a newpaper in addition to its presence here on QOTO? This statement is confusing, we are talking about the post here, what does a newspaper have to do with it?

> 2 I replied that, as he could see, it was an anti-Zionist cartoon, not anti-Jewish.

While I do beleive that was your intent (and why this isnt a bigger issue) how exactly is it "he could see it was an anti-zionist cartoon". I only have the context here on mastodon, and there doesnt seem to be anything indicating that. I feel like im missing something here?

> 3 He responded by insisting that it was anti-Jewish. Which as I have already explained is not true, as you will have seen the cartoon is anti-Zionist. At this time when the Zionists have murdered almost 16,000 people including almost 6,500 children of the Palestinian Semitic people it seems to me that being pro Zionist like @Raccoon makes him a racist so I have blocked him, he has come to you.

Ok you claim its clearly anti-zionist... but how, what about the post makes that obvious, I dont see it?

> it seems to me that being pro Zionist like @Raccoon makes him a racist so I have blocked him, he has come to you.

Whether he is racist or not has little to do with what we are discussing. It has little to do with the post and if it is appropriate.

> 4 I have no problem removing anything posted but if the person asking for it is a Palestinian anti-Semitic racist I have my doubts as I will probably be giving in to racism, which I don't want to do.

Well I am someone who has been very vocally anti-zionist and I find this post misleading and easily confused as anti-jew and not anti-zionist. Because of its easy confusion with hate speech I would like to ask, kindly, that you either remove it, or if you insist on posting it you add textual context to make it clear it is an anti-zionist post and not intending to suggest jews as a people are violent.

> Sorry for my English, it's pretty bad and I have to use a translator. I hope I am understood correctly.

No worries at all, happy to work through it.

> I look forward to your reply.
> Best regards.

Thank you for engaging politely.

@Raccoon

@ech yea sadly there are few moderate right wingers on mastodon, and im sure part of that is because they are treated like extremists by showing any hint of a right lean.

@realcaseyrollins

You wouldnt need a written deed, just proof you were born there and it is multi-generational. Citizenship is based on where you are born, not what you own.

But while citizenship should be automatic ownership of the plot of land might be debatable... IF they can show they were born there and dont have a deed, then someone else would have to prove they had a deed that pre-dated their birth and living in that home. The earlier deed wins, but absense of a physical deed it would default to whoever can show they were born and raised there first (since no owner can otherwise be identified).

@kravietz

@realcaseyrollins

Generally speaking moral nations that took land through conquest make an attempt to make up for it by giving that land back to the people later in generous qty, with very generous rules and government subsedies.

Look at the native americans, they get automatic citizenship, free movement from reservations to american soil with complete equality legally on american soil. AND are given tons of authority over their land that no other legal framework exists for any other people. So much so our cops cant even arrest people on their land.

Moreover this is **veryy=** rare. In almost all historic cases when we conquer land the natives of that land are allowed to continue living on it (under a new rule), even in anctient times.

So yea the level of brutalitya nd immorality of Israel to literally wipe the land clean of the natives is a level of evil that is rarely seen, even in history. Native americans are really the only well known example of that and even then as I said we gave up a LOT to try to apologize for that.

Nevermind the fact that for that to happen in modern times is almost unheard of and when it does consistently cuases public outrage, as it is with the invasion of georgia, ukraine, etc.

@kravietz

@kravietz

> Your statement "it's their land" is exclusively based on 1947 as an arbitrary cut-off date.

Not at all, that is not how I determine whose land it is.

I determine whose land it is by who can show the longest multi-generational ties to the land. If you can show you were born on the land and lived there for the last 20 generations its your land... some guy who has some 1000 year old claim to the land he cant show a clear right of ownership to then it isnt his land.

If you can show you are the direct descendant and **prove** it with paper work of someone 1000 years ago taking your land from you, and you can show specifically what plot of land you owned, then yea, that land should be yours. Virtually no individual jew can do that. In fact most jews are so intermarried they cant even say they have any connection to the jews at all other than it being a religion they practiced for multiple generations. But to connect them as inheretors of land from 1000 years ago, not even remotely close.

Meanwhile the palestinians, most of those show they have lived on that land and have a clear chain of ownership for hundreds of years.

> If Palestinians "were invaded" by Jews, then what in your opinion happened to Jerusalem in 1187?

Something that has nothing to do with modern times and no one can even show any heritage connection to those events on either side, soits irrelevant.

> I won't even comment on your postulate that the extremely antisemitic policy of Hamas "doesn't matter", because it's precisely the part that makes your plan so detached from reality.

I am glad you are refusing to comment on something I never said or even remotely implied... smart move.

@realcaseyrollins

@nixCraft all of that stolen traffic probably has a damn near 0 saled conversion rate too.

@realcaseyrollins

Im geneerally against foreign interference. But in this case it seems justified. Especially considering foreign interference is the **only** reason israel was able to commit their genocide to begin with. If people didnt donate tons of military aide it would have actually been a fair fight and they likely would have lost.

@freepeoplesfreepress @kravietz

@Fu

What are you on about, 100% of europe is capitalistic. The last time a us president tried to say they weren't and that they were socialist multiple countries prime ministers all stood up and told him off and said they were capitalist even.

Never mind the fact that is **not** remotely how either side is defined, so its a moot point anyway.

@ech

> Blocked here on non-nazi Mastodon? If so, two theories:

It has not been an expiernce limited to mastodon in any way.

> I would think you run into very few righties.

Both here and in general I probably run into at least as many if more righties. The reason for it here is that the left is so quick to block people that myself not being an extreme lefty but a moderate has me blocked by the majority of the left and triggered pretty much the whole of the right. So I hear from the right quite often.

> For various historical reasons, culturally this place is dominated, politically, by the identarian left.

Overall I'd tend to agree there is somewhat more left than right on the fedi. But that means little when it comes to my view of it which is clearly tinted by my personality.

> One of my least favorite things about the id-left is they sorta don't tolerate dissent. In US politics it's probably the most significant anti-free-speech group. (speech is violence, etc, etc)

Agreed, which is why we have such extreme polarization, if you are even remotely moderate you will be attacked.

> Second: we righties here on Mastodon can't really afford to block anyone, we're getting blocked so much that if we did we'd have nothing in our feeds.

I mean there are plenty of right-wing instances, explicitly so.. The problem i find is that the right is complete garbage on here just like the left is.. so you probably dont want to hang out with that crowd as it constitutes some of the most obnoxious instances, most of the free speech instances where hatespeech is the norm.

I know I've seen Leprechaun 4: in space before... but strangly I cant remember anything about it... May be time for a rewatch.

@kravietz

Not sure why any of that matters.. its their land, they did nothing to deserve loosing it and were simply invaded. So until the occupying force leaves and especially when they are the ones overpowered and forced into ghettos,then there is absolutely no chance for the Israelis to be the good guys.

The whole "but we built up the area after we stole it and killed everyone" is a pretty damn poor excuse for why they should keep it.

@realcaseyrollins

@freepeoplesfreepress

What. How is an act on an occupying force an act of genocide, that makes no sense. It is an act of violence, but nothing they did remotely approached genocide (extermination of a whole people). They literally attacked people who were invading their land with no cause.

It is **not** even israels attacks in and of themselves that are genocide. Its the act of caralling people off their land into small ghettos, and turning off their water and power (in times of peace) with the intention of killing off the population as a whole that makes it genocide.

Targeted acts of war are horrific in their own right, but are not automatically genocide.

@realcaseyrollins @kravietz

@kravietz

In my scenario the israelis still own whatever they own and live there. They just are under the government that actually owns the land, palestine. As I said one of the conditions is anyone born ont he land is allowed to stay and given citizenship, this also assumes they retain whatever private land they own so long as they bought it fairly from the palestinian that owned it.

Obviously any infrastructure that exists through theft does not make sense to be allowed to keep.

@realcaseyrollins

@kravietz

Your response makes absolutely no sense.. If you dissolve the state and leave there is no state to have a war WITH... so no the war didnt continue for 80 years because of ideas like this, that makes no sense.

@realcaseyrollins

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