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The FBI estimates there are 25 to 50 serial killers that are active in the USA at any time. Though most are not identified and their various killings are not connected to a single killer. So most active serial killers are never known to exist, let alone actively being looked for.

@realcaseyrollins

Respect is a weird word here.. Im not sure what it means. Obviously earlier when i said respect i simply meant "treat someone with dignity" though here it seems to mean something more like "honor" or to praise.

There is just so much to this on a philosophical level. The first thing i ask is a skill with no utility worthy of praise just because of how extreme that skill may be? Is it worthy of skill if its literally just having fun all day playing games to the exclusion of everything else in life to the point where you get good? I mean is that more worthy of praise than someone who spent that time learning how to do open heart surgery or some skill that was far less fun to learn but actually useful?

I dunno.. for me i certainly recognize the time investment. But to me the "heros" the ones who are worthy of praise and screaming "hey look at this guy he deserves applause", that seems to be something I'd attach more to skill obtained through sacrifice with purpose than i would with games.

@stux

@freemo there's seriously a whole community around Tetris, like soo many games!

Check this, it's amazing 😆
youtube.com/watch?v=GuJ5UuknsH

@admin

While that may have been true it is obvious fromt he resolution and quality there is no way what is in this video was the original or even predated the gameboy version

@stux

@realcaseyrollins

Its a bit of a mixed bag... I mean honestly i think most sports are a bit of a waste of ones time, persuing whats fun at the expense of anything that adds value to the world.

That said there is no doubt its a skill to play a sport or tetris and takes many hours of time invested to get there. Should we respect hard earned skill that is fun and does nothing to improve the world? Eh, I dunno.

Like I think we should recognize the skill, but I think its also ok to recognize its a selfish endeavor that is, in the end, a waste of energy that could have been invested much more wisely.

Then again its a step up from just watching TV all day or something I guess.

@stux

@admin @stux

Huh? The one int he video is in color so its clearly some later version, not the original. Whent he gameboy version cameout graphics likje this werent possible.

That said, I have no idea if the gameboy is the original. What version came before it?

@stux Well to be clear he didnt beat the original tetris.. this is some later version (maybe an NES version).. and he broke it by rolling over the high score digits, which is super impressive, but "beat" just isnt accurate, he broke it :)

The original tetris this wouldnt be possible as you'd beat the game before getting a score anywhere near there.

@admin

By the way this is what beating the original tetris actually looks like (and tons of people did it):

youtube.com/watch?v=Z7FHZbSlE2

@stux

@stux Wait im watching the video now.. says he is the first kid to ever beat it? What? as a kid I know lots of people who beat it. I beat it, my uncle beat it... when you beat it a rocketship goes off in the end IIRC.

@freemo A 13yrd old kid beat Tetris! :ed_grin:

youtube.com/watch?v=_hVACOeb7O

but a news ancor from Sky had to mock it.. :nkoFacepalm2:

it's time that pro gaming is also taken seriously like chess and darts etc

@stux I wouldnt say its int he same class as chess, but it does deserve respect. Chess is an intellectual "puzzle" tetris is hand eye coordination. Both are impressive skills, just different category. But yea i agree.

I just dont get why anyone feels the need to mock anyone.. short of maybe people who are clearly cruel and evil and deserve the mocking.

@georgetakei I mean, not a lot of people are familiar with gymnastic stars. But lawl

@freemo @tatzelbrumm

"Scientific pitch was originally proposed in 1713 by French physicist Joseph Sauveur and based on the numerically convenient frequency of 256 Hz for middle C,"

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_(mus

@Peg33 I mean, Trump is in no way worthy of praise... But I can objectively say my expiernce with the medical industry during trump vs now is night and day, not just in terms of prices but also all the other issues. The medical industry has certainly become noticably more abusive as Biden took over.

Now if that is Biden's fault or if Trump deserves any credit is certainly a valid argument.

@falken

Right, id expect there to be local syncing and even somewhat of a natural local standard that would form naturally... The question is more about when did people try to quantify and define those standards against an actual frequency that is some how referenced.

@tatzelbrumm

@freemo We can say with certainty that concert pitch (actually set by A4 being standardized at 440hz today) was higher in the past - as high as A = 401hz. Not every instrument is tunable. Bells and some double reed instruments will never change pitch over their life times. By looking at bells from the 15th and 16th c we can tell that music was in general pitched somewhat higher then today.

The big innovation in modern tuning is equal temperament. All modern digital tuning has an precisely equal ratio between each half step. (about 1.059 to 1) This makes music work like you describe. Start on any pitch and the music will sound the same if the relative intervals are followed.

However much more than absolute pitch, relative pitch is hard without modern measurement methods, Prior to the 1700s the most common tuning was to tune in pure 5ths where every 5th was tuned by ear to a 2/3 ratio. It works pretty well until you get to the point where you go from the end of the circle of fifths back to what should be the note you started on. You find you are off by a scotch less than a quarter tone. This terrible sounding interval is a "wolf fifth" because it howls.

In pure fifths each key had its own flavor and so it was important to play a piece in the key it was written in. The major thirds that define the modern major chords are the most effected by these variations which explains why many pieced before JS Back and company are dominated by 4ths and 5ths that are safer in a pure-fifths tuning.

Bach's innovation which caught on across western music was to "fudge the thirds" to make them all sound similar - giving us the last common tuning the so called well-tempered tuning.

@antares The bell approach makes a **lot** of sense. that said bells can presumably be tuned by grinding,and i assume that is how they are fine tuned after the initial casting. But yea your point that once tuned they tend to remain fixed and cant be tuned without modifying the instrument makes a lot of sense.

Thanks for a wonderful response, lots of good info here.

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