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@freemo @josemanuel i know it's just a figure of speech but i think it's not good to call this behavior childish. children have to (and are eager to) learn how the world works. they engage in such make-believe games as a means of learning about reality. it's the polar opposite of these people which have reduced the world to a delusion.

@bonifartius

Thats fair.. honestly its an insult to children to compare them to most adults. As you say even most children are better than that.

Immature may be the better term.

@josemanuel

@LouisIngenthron Generally I agree, but the debate witht he medical doctor is a good example.. he brought receipts, he cited things and quoted them... but he wasnt **listening** or understanding his quotes. He thought i wasnt reading because i wasnt drawing the same conclusions as him and he thought he was literally just repeating the authors conclusion, which in reality he wasnt, he was saying something very different.

So its not always so cut and dry.

Obviously when it is nothing wrong with devaluing a persons interactions.

@josemanuel

Yea, well its clear whatever is going through their head it is certainly something like that, very childish indeed.

@bonifartius

@TomShafShafer

Finished,. Thanks that was useful. I actually did know this already but forgot about it. Thanks.

@TomShafShafer

Nope, I dont troll. You may be triggered by my very open and unfiltered opinions at some point... but no not trolling.

thanks, ill take a look

@LouisIngenthron Sure, the problem is most people when they are wrong but passionate think the other side is ignoring facts when in fact it can be you. Thats the rub.

@josemanuel

Probably some truth to that. I wonder if they realize its all in their head. Like I still get to reply the only difference is they dont see it.

@bonifartius

@LaNaehForaday

> And then you also realize that every single immigrant at our border IS SEEKING ASYLUM right?

Irrelevant how many want asylum. In order to be an asylum seeker you must apply. You **are** allowed to enter illegal to apply, so you arent illegal the moment you enter. But once you've been here for some time without applying for asylum you are no longer an asylum seeker, you are just an illegal immigrant at that point.

So again, I have no problem with them entering and seeking assylum with the government after entering, that is perefectly legal. But those who never register absolutely should either be deported, or at least forced through the process to determine if they.

And no, not everyone entering the border is an asylum seeker. Many are im sure, you saying just because someone entered illegal they are 100% asylum seekers is absolute lunacy.

> And frankly prosecuting FUCKING HUMANS FOR WANTING A BETTER LIFE TURNS MY STOMACH

Turns mine too, Im all for giving them an appropriate legal path to help.

@ambihelical Yea I assume the best too. I gave him the benefit of the doubt right up until that last message.

@TomShafShafer

Actually I am someone who hates Trump, with a passion... One of the reasons is I had an impression of Trump as someone who hated brown people and middle easterners. I still think this is true but...

> He withdrew the US from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the Iran Nuclear Deal. This gave Iran the green light to restart uranium enrichment and further failed to contain Iran's Middle East ambitions.

This actually has convinced me to like Trump more rather than hate him more. Hearing he is ok with brown middle eastern people having the same rights as the USA WRT access to nuclear material is a very positive step in the right direction for equality for the middle east.

> - Trump threatened to pull the US out of NATO and constantly complained about the financial contributions other members made.

This part is just par for the course with him being an idiot. It didnt help, but honestly thats barely on my radar with half the shit to consider.

@TomShafShafer

This is new information to me. Can you please give me some examples of policy decisions trump made that weakened Ukraine, this is very interesting to me.

Thank you in advance.

@ambihelical

Neither. I was just pointing out explicitly stating you are ending the conversation is unneeded. If you have nothing left to add, then dont respond.

He was set off because he was trying to be passive aggressive and say "you arent welcome to contact me" but he wasnt using his adult voice and assumed people should read his mind.

@bonifartius I agree, but you missed the point... she replied to me with that, said I was #2 then immediately got blocked. Never mind the fact that #2 doesnt remotely resemble my reply.

@sj_zero

> There's a big difference between trying to be true and trying to be right. You can "be" the latter while failing to be the former, and that's not good -- reality doesn't care that you won a debate if you're just objectively wrong about something.

absolutely, but if you feel the conversation isnt about truth but just being right, then you dont rage quit and block, you just walk away from the conversation. So my point largely stands.

> It's tough to be humble though, because you have to admit you were wrong when what you thought was right doesn't turn out to be true. Folks who work in hard science and engineering end up taking their licks at some point even if they're really good.

While its certainly a good quality of character to admit your wrong, people who are in it for the right reasons dont care if the other side admits being wrong or not. You worry about what you learned, and if its nothing, and that is legitimate, then you just move on.

I dont know who needs to hear this.. but you can actually disagree with someone, have a debate, remain peaceful, and if you still disagree in the end you dont have to actually rage quit and block them. You can.... wait for it.... just disengage and walk away.

Not everyone has to agree with you about everything.

@Lana

Huh what are you on about... For starters I never said they were equivalent. I said they both had a property that at any level I will not accept, that does not imply the property is equivelant or that both parties have it in equal measure. Only that they have the property and thus are not worthy.

@Lana

I agree entirely with this. Though I'd extend it to anyone who supports any racist, which right now is mostly Trump and Biden.

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