🎓 Dr. Freemo 🇳🇱 @freemo@social.cleverlibre.org

'But, as we have been learning pretty much continuously since 2000, the will of the majority of the American people no longer matters all that much in who is running their country.'

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/sep/18/donald-trump-could-win-contingent-election

@trinsec

> He doesn't want it court-ordered, but also doesn't want to stop desegregation looks like:
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> "It is difficult for two reasons. First, we want to stop court-ordered busing, but at the same time not undo the basic ruling in Brown."

When he says he doesnt want it court ordered, he isnt talking about forcing a black kid who doesnt want to go to a white school to go. He is talking about ordering schools to pick up black children who are within the radius to go to the school.... in other words "I love desegregation its great, so long as school principles can choose to desegregate if they want and as long as courts wont force a school to accept or pick up a black student, then yea I support it".... come on now, if you dont support **requiring** schools to let in black people, and to pick them up on your bus... then doesnt it sound a little silly to say he isnt against desegregation? Seriously, you cant see the political double speak here?

> Nor do we want to prevent the alternative things that can be done to end segregation.

Soooo... he wants to desegregate, he is just against forcing all-white schools to allow black people to go to the school by requiring them to pick them up on their busses?

What!?

It doesnt even make sense.., but ok those alternatives.... I mean none exist I know of... Like what other alternatives to desegregation is there?

> It is a failure for several reasons. First, it is a failure because it does not achieve its purpose.

More nonsense... it didnt achieve its purpose? The purpose was to allow blacks to go to white schools if they wanted... Sounds like it exactly achieved its purpose.

> It has resulted in dismantling many good black schools as well as white schools. It has not generally benefited black or white students.

No, it hasnt.. and again nonsensical racist mumbojumbo... How does bussing a black kid to the white school "dismantle" the school Either it was a shithole and all the blackkids wanted out, in which case the school was shit and should be dismantled. Or it was a great school so the kids/parents would be happy to keep their kids in it.

What he really meant to say is "While black kids could now go to my expensive well funded white kid school, that might mean my white kid winds up at a shitty black school. I dont want that for my kid so im gonna pretend im not racist and try to stop this"

I am kinda shocked you bought the whole "mixing white and black kids in the same school is the same thing as dismantling the school" and are selling that as a reasonable perspective.

> It has not generally benefited black or white students.

You think this is a reasonable statement. To say that letting a black kid choose if they want to go to the white-only school or black-only school should not be allowed by the courts because it wont

benefit anyone? Can you really say that with a straight face.

> With the resources given (those links and articles) I cannot determine what his actual proposed solution would've been. But he did mention:
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> ... I think pushing busing in a way in which it goes beyond the constitutional mandates is like throwing a bus through the civil rights window. I think it has repercussions that are extensive in terms of the ultimate objective of seeing that we get integrated neighborhoods, of seeing that we eventually eliminate job discrimination, of seeing that we change housing patterns, of seeing alteration of the tax structure.

Not sure that is even a hint of a solution for desegregating schools in that statement.

Remember its important to note busing means "Forcing the school to pick up black kids that are nearby and giving them the same resources (access to transportation to school) the white kids have in their area"... really important to keep that in mind when we see the word "bussing" as it was an intentionally manipulative term Biden and his supporters used at the time.

So he is saying what exactly here..."Letting black kids have exactly the same access to educational resources as whites by being allowed to take the same bus and attend the same school is wrong, and i will not support that..." then he goes on to list why basically saying how there is still racism in workplaces and neighboorhoods.

Again amazed you dont see the idiocy in this sort of backpeddling... so integrating schools doesnt help with racism int he workplace, therefore you dont support that solution... ok so does he also oppose integrating whites and blacks int he workd place because doing so wont solve the problem of segragation in our schools... The logic is at best a thin veil to hide some pretty clear racism.

The more quotes you dig up the more it shows he was motivated by racism and just polticking some responses that make it sounds like he isnt an asshole.. thats it.. and its pretty transparent.

> I did encounter an opinion piece from 2020 of somebody who describes this busing issue like I kind of suspected is the case going on:
https://medium.com/view-from-space/school-integration-and-joe-biden-1f58fe4a1eb3

I will give it a read. But a quick scan notices not a single source linked in the post other than the congressional transcript itself... a bit worried how valuable it might be. But ill read and form an opinion.

Keep in mind I went to school and grew up during the 80s when biden was still a central figure head on the topic and where I was actually living the issue (as a small child). So, I dont really need a recap without cited sources on something i was alive through and a part of. But I will read it all the same later today.

> You may or may not agree with it, but I found him wording this issue in such a way that aligns with how I feel about it after reading the aforementioned articles.

You are always welcome to disagree, no matter how wrong or how obvious it is that you are wrong you may be, you are still welcome to do so :)

> I have to disengage now as real life is calling me. My resources are depleted at this point anyway.

No worries, hope you have a great rest of your day.

@unabomber

More thoughts on data presentation.

@isucceed

I think that sums it up well enough.. two sides intentionally avoiding hearing anything that disagrees with their biases, desperately appalled at the other side for not caring about facts... it would be comical if it wasnt so sad.

@freemo

It's becoming a war of cults full of fact-resistant lemmings. Anyone who is wearing a party T-shirt or hat seems like an idiot.

@kryptec

by the way, aside from your own link that proves the post I boosted was accurate, here is the actual first-hand source.

In 1981 desegregation was under way through an effort to bus black students in all-black schools to segregated white-schools so they can desegregate them and allow the blacks to get the same quality education as these better funded schools could provide.

He spent most of his early career trying to fight these and really all desegregation efforts still ongoing at the time. In fact, he was one of the most vocal segregationists in congress at the time.

Here is a 1982 Senate hearing in which Biden's testimony is recorded. Not only does he make it clear he opposes these desegregation efforts, but it is also the first time he used the "racial jungle" quote in some form and very clearly confirms that a very similar variation of the quote has been spoken by Biden as early as 1982.

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/1401-school-busing-hearings-1981/720c19a5e1cf89938c57/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

@unabomber

@MarkRNay

> not accurate / the most alive - you have got to be joking or a full blown troll

What about posting an actual fact checked article about Biden's past racism is "not accurate" and "have got to be joking"? Someone even fact checked it with a link claiming the content of the article was accurate.

> And people DO change. Do you think Jim Clybourn thinks he is a racist? Really

They sure do... Usually people who change after being a horrible and racist human, they start by, I dunno, apologizing. Sadly he has never apologized for his horrificially racist past, not once, let alone the sort of heart felt apology that would be needed to even consider he has changed. Worst yet, his actions still strongly show he is as racist as ever but now instead of treying to push for segregation (which would never work) instead he exploits minorities to try get himself elected and in a position of power.

Yes people change, sadly, Biden has not give any of the traditional indications he has changed. If anything he has shown quite clearly he remains a racist twat.

> You are a dishonest sack of diahrea

Thanks, taking a fact-checked article calling out racism and very quickly showering me with personal insults, calling me a liar, making no attempt to actual show any evidence, and then blocking me before you have a chance to hear any rebutal.... really screams you have the fact-based position here....

@unabomber

@kryptec

It was not debunked (because it is true).. yes it was easily checked before amplifying, and was checked and found to be true before sharing.

To quote your article you just shared:

"the content in the article isn’t misleading."

Literally the fact check you **just** shared confirmed that the post here is true, and correct, and not misleading.

Thanks for confirming this was fact checked before posting and correct. Much appreciated!

@unabomber

> I don't get why you would have a need to carry a gun in public, and open carry in particular is physically intimidating to others in the same way that walking around with a large and aggressive dog is.

Open carry benefits those around you as a direct deterrent to criminal behavior. The sight of the weapon on a competent looking man or woman says, "F* around and find out" to would be evil doers.

The large dog can serve a similar purpose IF it is well trained and not threatening to act wildly on its own. (Guns don't often have the problem of acting on their own. When they are improperly holstered, the bearer feet tend to be the victims.)

For all the #Cannabis connoisseurs out there... Which cannabis isolates have you tried. Leave your opinions and questions in the comments.