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The means justifies the end ( Any example where "the end justifies means" ? )

I guess killing a dictator but that doesn't stop people ending up with another one- so any measured examples?

What do you think should be my target audience? 

I'm wondering what my 'target audience is'. (Thinking like this I know is a bit of a problem in the first place but anyway this kind of 'what can I do about people if they are the part of the problem chains/head of the consumption snake'...)

One side already knows why not but uses BigTech for activism anyway.

Other side is like sheep. But can't say BAAA to Faces or Facebook because it's practically an ultimatum for them (which I actually sympathise with and don't have much answer for other than- weigh all this (Tech crap) over all that (Moral stuff which is also +/- in Amoral System)

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Q. What do you think should / could be my target audience that is useful in your eyes?
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Let's say I'm done with the above 2 types or will do it on the way anyway so what else can I do if the market is 'saturated' or just doesn't want.

Do you think it works to have an account and use commercial things like Facebook in order to get your Free Software / Freedom movement going in a way you would like to spread it? 

@UniversalVortices@mastodon.social @freeschool
By using nonfree software to support free software, you are making a redundant moot point for free software.

The best way to promote is to do without nonfree- otherwise you're just promoting the case against it

@Bigolbootybuttcake
I liked what you wrote and *perhaps* this quote at the end of this writing is similar -

After the quote I was just just wondering if you would lightly agree or what you think about it since I liked what you originally wrote and wouldn't want to change it or something.
Thanks- quote is:

" Science is not separate from politics. Similarly technology is not also separate from politics.

And this is the compartmentalisation* that we do.
That is the problem. "

Audio of it: qoto.org/@freeschool/108390521

" Science is not separate from politics. Similarly technology is not also separate from politics.

And this is the compartmentalisation* that we do.
That is the problem. "

* = A mild state of dissociation
* = Act of distributing things into classes or categories of the same type

" I even stopped convincing privileged people after a time,
I usually go outside my class and try to convince under-privileged people. because there I have more chance of getting the point across."

"And I found in my limited experience, that this is probably true. But they are not in the position to change things, that is another problem. "

THE 10 CORE Principles

COMMUNITY
COOPERATION
GIFTING
IMMEDIACY
INCLUSION​
LEAVE NO TRACE​
NO COMMERCE​
PARTICIPATION​
SELF EXPRESSION​
SELF RELIANCE​

Other principles that we find important:
CONSENT

" Nowhere is based on 10 core principles which are inspired from the core principles of Burning Man. "

goingnowhere.org/core-principl

Seems sound enough as words and way-markers without even looking at source or event.

And I think is in theory good testing ground since a lot (like virtues, actual feeling in the moment) do need testing. Great.

@freeschool yes. Categorization is super handy and all, but is super stifling in the sciences and education. Cross pollination of disciplines needs to be encouraged way more heavily. It's where novel insight comes from

For example, when you are taught about greenhouse gases in school, they don't tell you why no action is happening.
The political part is missing.
The thing is science is not separate from politics.
Similarly. technology is also not separate from politics.
And this is the compartmentalisation we do in education. That is the problem.

" We have to be in the government ourselves to make that change... that is what I believe, because now the political situation is so bad "

It's an interesting line, not for everyone perhaps but perhaps just as needed in trying and letting them govern completely unchecked.

@steveb
I think that is the way incrementally... ideally with people simply giving kudos to each other as the game and encouraging whatever they can like they only live once.

I guess I learned to give kudos and acceptance to myself so that is my own game... I've done some things bold enough and happy. I know what I'm winning on and testing it constantly. But with others a bit of encouragement is needed to step up belief or togetherness and measurement of long-term win-wins (in different ratios is ok people can learn to still be happy with that

... things that will help is encouragement, recognition, education, levelling up / stripes (measured), kudos, skill-sharing, presentation practice / hit counts / viewers / free software support and all the micro things that make life and recognition part of that gamification... call it love or loving life...
freeschool.0id.org/love-values

or call it fighting back (with all compassing love)

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The rest below is extra and long speed writing (my way is to write, test my speed then revisit / 2nd pass etc, so I get reply mostly done without leaving too long for memory to fade / same day and strike matches of fire earlier)

(so keep in mind if you read on that you can also speed read no probs )

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Gamification has long since been on my customised list freeschool.0id.org/love-values

This isn't about me or linking but I really had it there and I think there are many parts people can keep even unofficially to gamify / compete nicely in all saving the planet in measured and thought out ways (even their own more -transparent valuation system)

Providing people games (like parents did / do) and then letting them 'monster' the games they naturally can do all day is a wonderful type of efficiency (every breed of person has this and instinctively like animals or dogs are maybe more obvious) and some with training or with right trainers (another minigame).

All have this unique chain of ability and combination, we just harness and allow that in a way that helps and not worry too much for things unless really they are using the other teams contaminated tool. Our own awareness / real contact / circles etc).

You see people are being gamified all the time (bribed / carrot on stick mainly) with Gov / BigBusiness backing it (often in cahoots or 1 and the same). They got a head start which is fine but if we as mass turn back some of the micro games and turn over the stones back in our favour then like a game of Go we 'capture' that micro-game / action and even people hearts and will to 'Go' for more (to capture / re-kindle it themselves as their own game while weaving / spiralling with others who have affinity).

Some people already are cut that way or cut themselves in destiny to go against these things knowing no part of life is worth it under rule of profit decision, faulty maths and man-made % domination/rape, dictatorship, flags, without consent or conversation, personal respect etc... so that is the real game... it's about leaning the profit orientate tree back toward non-profit / human side WHILE giving each other things to do things as nicely as possible accepting we were set up originally (land takeovers) and instead now we make opportunities allowing people into our 'house' individually with things said clean rather than everyone individually going to companies and locking themselves and others out... waiting for more doom. Literally in-house production is one way and mass as artist, shitty drawers, people with hands or feet or anything basically you can puzzle in or try out in someone and even arrange as nice EXIT (no the kick business parallel but move the pieces). All seems a bit dreamy but once you start with one person it's quickly reality and very useful when it's obvious (talking helps). You just manage that start and keep this text as reference and I'll even give ideas as you go with the person in mind. The will does need to be there to try it and yes some measured stuff or carrot... but often some people just like to have lots of games to play and just jump in AND out into the next things and then go sleep... and regularly tone it down or take care of their soul or spirit as also the 'work' (easier when not forced sometimes and helps if others around are doing it... like I'll never do yoga in the morning until I have a girl-friend that does it)

The cost of our own return is then transferred into other ways you see when relationships are added more than subtracted - letting someone stay without rent is a big win or talking with someone about likes/dislikes also - this sounds like suicide for most people or encouraging trouble. But people can just agree that's just the way there are now... best as possible and see what happens...
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much more can be said but basically eventually people's wife or children have to become happy with strangers - no two ways about it... a short way of saying that protecting people too much is also leaning the tree the wrong way and doesn't help.
It is natural to retract or trained but as in chess you realise too much of that and you can still get overwhelmed / steam rollered.

Monetarily speaking (ignoring all this theory stuff which you could put into practice) someone just shares a portion of their money and for exchange of free-willed labour AND companionship (not just hands and feet, accepting your worker as family and there differences even if it's not hours and hours... I worked on a farm and the farmer didn't want to talk about spirituality... well after a bit that's obviously not going to improve anything). If they / you can enjoyably help (again not force) as umbrella and try for longer if possible massaging the hard parts in the name of 'doing things different' / forging people like metal then experiment.
Like a people farm lol for people (not saying it works or should 100% but as a farm itself it can help grow people (literally) and feed people (as in good) the basics but don't get it wrong it's MIND AND MATTER. People can release others from duty / cycle things / make time free for family using others (but also to get better at managing their time and not dumping in on Sherpa carrying peoples baggage up mountains for the Europeans to say they climbed it without mentioning who did all the carrying -
Summary - Not all of us needing to have land / pay rents / rent internet individually / lol what suckers they make from us!

Does feel I've written to much, but feel / hope you can see through...
and disclaimer was before this :)

Some of us have had enough and also what money we have is being dwindling to be less than even that 'promise to pay' via what remotely is now controlled (not what is says on the paper/plastic money), being alone might actually help and is better than the devaluing money or it's supply. If you have 1 cow and someone to milk in morning you can keep alive a family-in-a-family... even if it's the same milk product in different forms lol really didn't see how much 1 cow can make and relatively easy... not perfect but other ideas are make your room into 2, travel host and capture some hearts / farm using less-mainstream travel hosting.... anything to bring back society to life ( techies / engineers / scavengers / even average idiot people under an umbrella of hopping / spreading seeds / travel hosting people ) but without a big hoo-ha.

And also to train people not to value their life so highly, knowing it was born cheap financially and that only way is morally forward.
No shame in accepting that.
(Tangential / potentially triggering remark but honest from the point funny money we're mostly coming from and now paying for... but in the same way big business uses people cheap disposable we too can while valuing the human sides and enjoying time as priceless together / the best time spent... and increment back those to win back no-monetary time together - that kind of measured metering for time and electricity is also something the same kind of man-made matrix and making money from nothing in another cube reducing space. Meters for electricity as silly if computers are running mostly and not generators etc )

If you've been beaten up repeatedly people can even train for moments suggested in online chats ( T-groups for example which I can host / we can test) because people experience with others time and eventually, like on Mastodon or anything people's trigger or nerve gets hit with what someone said or they are sure if they mean it bad against you) then even in comfort, from tomorrow people can prepare to say hello to each other in real life (like if you would take my words now against you)... but with training one see there is not need to doubt others, just be comfortable in yourself... this is why I encourage Jitsi Meet chat while we can as a society... as those machine-minded are coming... you can test out a potential instant / ad-free / no-tracking / safe-as-we-know way here ---> meet.jit.si/chataboutit
and I'll even meet you there one day. (don't worry if it's too early and do expect one day you'll feel something but don't doubt me or yourself- I know this is a lot)

It is that classic thing of trusting banks, giving tax and then not covering anyone else because they might waste it :> better still they might give us life... and show us something... many things... <3

For speed I've left as it with a bit of edit - some genuine thoughts there in speed over any template of over-analysing you / overly thinking in terms of 'polite' or many 'societal' filters. I already think you're ok and able but you let me know anyway. Take one thing from each paragraph or whatever...

@rastinza
RSS feed page is probably similar to what is suggested but might not be obvious
( as RSS is extended XML which might be good if it the RSS existed for it as it hold data all in 1 page also... and to search for that as keyword or standard page archived ) - might still then be able to feed that into existing RSS progs and ways to give it new life...

" People tend to think other dictatorships are bad, but their own dictatorship would be good. "

Comments welcome.

@lucifargundam
Well you would think so... and trying to be fair in and less bias in this post I just see a few very good people really going for it and so wonder about it... sometimes things can work driving hard or doing the opposite or helps to see why...

What I've summarised from talks is that there are more obvious tangible people 'over there' so it can feel more effective or the good work to try and fetch or 'bring people over to the othe side'... which does seem possible (while sacrificing almost your own principles in order to gain something else which is +/- in overall reward and hard to measure...) but yeah I can definitely see that while in some cases (or arguable most, and often most of one's post) doesn't work (at least in the moment or is demoted / almost muted in algorithms amplification / filtering) so it can give those people false look that it's online even if people do or don't see it --->(it's my bias that it's false feedback or the signals where it might look and feel good is there but it's still not really working).
I mean they also wouldn't let that happen right! Systems are quite tight nowadays..,. if they saw even 1% crossing over they would make some excuse for it, after all it's their bizness/money people are messing with not going to just take it (and so my thoughts are also it's ineffective or people get kicked and go back)

So people can just end up listening to you 'over there' and not on Mastodon... and not really changing (it's like people reading the next bad thing endlessly)

Real conversion needs measuring

I think people who sacrifice themselves consistently think this crossing to the other side is needed / warranted... and almost in physical analogy I could imagine it if it was a quick process like rescuing someone from water / stealing people back / kidnapping / converting / educating etc... but yeah I'd like to really know personally / keep a chalk board of how many exactly message me after getting an account on Mastodon and seeing the Twitter / Facebook / insta deleted!!!! Otherwise really it's more than likely not working.

I trust the speed of ignorance (from people generally if there are already there and attached to friends and family) and also how strong their computers are tracking people and even a problem person like tracing people back to their nests... which doesn't help with a flag saying YOU ARE BAD! lol... perhaps a bit naive and gestural (which work to get an individual mad, but big company probably not).

I'm not speaking for everyone here but if it could be easy for them to analyse or personal chalk up then I'd backup some sacrificing people to absorb the damage... but without that kind of robust stat or person observing it is less sensible... also giving the game away too early / showing flags...

In short I'm trying to look at it objectively :)

Oh yeah I was going to mention other false-positives from perspective of person 'using the system against itself@, sorry- here a list and website link:

freeschool.0id.org/using-the-s

--->I reach a lot of people" (could be true but conversion is important

--->"If we don't use their system then how will they know about it"
(there are other ways to hunt someone, arguably the short cut is really to easy and we have to bear our cross door to door / email / our own website / or somehow (any suggestion - it is looking thin on our side though 1 person is still one for sure versus 1 from maybe 100 on Twitter / FB and them immediately signing up an account but then still going back to it realising 'nobody' is here / still not breaking the will they need to have)

---> (some more reasons I'm sure I've wrote online but you get the idea / probably heard them)

@dpwiz
Pretty good connection between data store as people themselves
(did I catch this right?)

And can you say more? (even if it's not perfect but going for speed). Thanks

Shitposters (above a certain level) have the advantage over normal people (to me) measurable by these kinds of ways / feedback... 

- response time
(normal people don't respond at all sometimes, and not saying lots of people normal don't respond but perhaps have more to lose, want to sterilise comms coming in and therefore limit life itself)

- attack mentality
attack subjects (multiple meanings in 'attack', I like it also because it includes looking from all angles and the attack itself can have multiple meaning)

- are outspoken about taboo things - where are normal people sometime are too polite / defensive like a boxer just holding their guard - sometime you wonder to ask "why are you not boxing?" or why are you on social media?... and then usually they just leave sightly or by pushing some other reasons lol including not answer points... which it doesn't matter with shitposters being hit and miss)

- they know what they dislike
(normal people don't respond at all sometimes often you've hit an emotional mine or trigger WHICH IS WORSE AFTER ALL THE TIME INVESTED and they don't tell you why - they just disappear and become distant and ditch conversation, mute you / don't answer - an ineffective often disposable relationship which is similar to shitposting (as in their real life or only sticking to work and their own family and that's it!).. non-participation

- shitposter I guess are in it for the kicks and that in itself is kinda fun! Often their videos are a bit more shocking BUT to a very unique / interesting point - kind of like watching gore and rotten.com again but pick and choose and you get some surprisingly useful points (so even if they are racist, strip the racism and there you have your good point or behviour, something you also can see / agree with but never thought to say it like that)

- shitposters don't take too seriously as if being too serious is of itself is a problem (which I agree but I like to bash it out personally and at least I can maybe learn to be more in this spectrum...
at least know what you're getting at worst... normal people (sometimes) feels like it's not them / not talking from I perspective)

- shitposters....
to be continued....!
...and merged here

freeschool.0id.org/shitposters

Summary
I perhaps hold more educated people accountable.... which might be unfair but the real 'fake caring' (a normal person) and is a bit of a regular let down /or less clear why they abandon ship and what their direction is (indeed none which might have to pardon people for)!

Do let me know anything I didn't cover (this is also not a full list... yet!)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ <--- For easy copy / paste an ASCII shrug reminder 

Never be far away and have *shrug* close to had !

Good picture of shrug here:
qoto.org/@freeschool/107991663

and where doing nothing also
doesn't help
qoto.org/@freeschool/108097893

Bring all your questions... even the wrong answer gets you there faster in this remote text format.... 

Just say "I want this... ", "How do I balance that situation" (if it's really something you've been trying for ages or think nobody close is willing to tell you)
I'll give you 2 things in return
- A short comical version
- An existing page from site better prepared (since many ask the same things usually)
- or a longer more-truthful real version which short cannot cover and you take a hot drink and think about it....

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