FreeSchool: Learn Respect Love @freeschool@social.cleverlibre.org

I think about all the time I would have lost installing / reinstalling / trying to fix things / trying to make work-arounds / updating / being sucked into the new... and smile knowing how much time I've saved and then at the same time investing in the the mind-work which I see as the best investment to date
(for me and others).

The toys without the right mindset counts for much less at the end.

@fsf HI FSF - YES I HAVE GONE TO THE SITE! I also made some posts myself listed below!

But I would also appreciate talking to someone audibly like in a Jitsi chat like anytime from now and I'll hope in...
https://meet.jit.si/chatwithaperson

Anyone available / have 20mins anytime in the future?

FSF posts:
https://qoto.org/@twotwenty/107629927643351957

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108435546064472644

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108521854481186003

qoto.org/@freeschool/108438136945742106

https://qoto.org/@freeschool/108345040656128129

CAREFUL WITH IDEAS:
The mentality and mindset of the people is probably as important as the idea...

Giving bigger entities or bigger platforms ideas can end up with some parts being taken up faster and in the wrong way... so people with more resources and lack of conscience can run away with the wrong things. Like giving them more ammunition.

The mentality and mindset of the people is probably as important as the idea...

Less misinterpretation also means less damage early on in the introduction (you could imagine that you would need to make sure an engineer is qualified ebfore giving them the tools)

And training means less needing to convince people at the end why to backtrack or return to simpler tools or earlier ideas and instead keep / return to the more humble versions which was not supposed to have the steroid-injected commercial aspects of over-weight tech and various wasteful ways added for other very questionable reasons.

@freemo @modrobert
I am noticing @freemo you're not answering my posts as you go same as modroberts...

Just check that yourself please- and if you notice anything )other than it's long as excuse) do say.

Some real good one-liners were said so far...

"Succeeding" today means very different things in a good / caring system...
"Successful" in bad / uncaring system means a whole dictionary of bad aggressive ways; cutting corners, backstabbing, taking over competition in hierarchy, non-discussions, dominating type ways patterns just to 'get the job done' but those leading us terribly or terribly nowhere (it is hard for a company to break out of the matrix it's in).

I personally don't want to do a lot of quite unproductive or bland unhumanitarian work, arguably getting money off others in a big pyramid chain like I was a prostitute in a long line of prostitutes. (since numbers and people looking at others tends to demand that as a template).

It's the opposite of plentiful jobs created in mind of diversity lol

Business is the art of making money from people and seeing people AS money and then brute-scaling that - not for harmony or playing honest. Banks funds both sides of war too.

So when you say that "poor people don't even take the first step" if feels like you don't even see a lot of work people want to do deliberately doesn't exist as it would under the power structure (structured violence etc) or it's not given by those in charge exactly knowing what that leads to (questioning auth and point of job itself when largely we did have or can do less intensive work hours or demand less of a pay packet to fat cats per month)

Job is just a tax method... just create whatever job!

Jobs are in the same templates and not in realm of just living with each other or natural economics... it's arbitrary and authoritarian AND they wouldn't want it any other way!! (same for a lot of things even if it creates things that looks good but they still have their own way from how it's designed and people who work for them behind inside it like a self-paid gang)
AND that it is morally wrong / extortion (like the whole people represented AS money thing from start to finish even without the gangs)
How can people ignore banks?
What do you think about banks saying "sorry got no money" you think "oh yeah that's ok just give them our public money for their PRIVATE enterprises"
Where you at freemo?

Now you might have some variations but in aggressive or well-thought egregious stuff simply having money as #1 is a problem... and still would be even if it was lower ranked unless it was last given the snowball factor (literally lots of arbitrary %'s quickly adding up to needless debt chains)... so what do you expect..? it's a rock and a hard place ultimatum with banking system / financially fascist choosing in that way (can't value people unless they make "more" money for you... that is beyond doing something in life but raping people.
Money for me is hardly any to me and others that way (I'm not just a body) and never would I reduce someone's moral considerations to what matches to what is lacking in the world...

Again it's the systems fault building patterns that has the accumulation of all that's before it and no chance to do anything else and therefore almost 'no good' literally! Rules deliberately to stop all that too.

Feels / you haven't actually mentioned much of the whole responsibility on the other side... and then expect people from questionable low positions / low education / low finance to jump for their dinner so high and higher and then some perhaps... only to reach where it isn't that great or socially healthy either (with lots of money but guilt the way you got it and who you stressed along the way- all the way from spending you're time traveling to work so long, tp not having much time for family, no mental support from cold system, and anti-cooperation from state robbing pots regularly and raid us while we watch helpless..
I mean what do you have to say for some of that- they are in 'victim mentality' for no reasons?

The list goes on and even if you have it good, many are depressed.

Without WILL from controllers to do anything more than they do now "itz fucked up bro".

I'd like to run the simulation if you gave me money... (maybe by audio chat) but you're going to be tested on morals and ethics.

Because what to do? Hardly jobs created for such things I want to achieve as it would have been achieved by billions if controllers really wanted it? But no the tree of life is leaning towards the opposite and almost flat on it's back.

I had money, I already see some heads with money and aside from sitting on or playing yet again more money games to buy a house and rent it etc, there is not much increment in what we people want to see. Hint it's not about just money!
It would help it inflated house-prices or even expensive-cheap rent didn't exist since houses get paid for eventually, but everything going up and being pocketed screams for me 'naive' here and people using boats with holes in it telling others to ignore that.

Just where do people go if they find banks and state totally immoral as well as unskilled in caring?

Taking responsibility for your own situation (even in the good) almost means killing yourself to escape it (it seems extreme but again how do you escape what you don't have much choice in or what is totally morally misaligned / malign / malignant each step the system takes?)

Seems like you miss some major points here and don't give 'credit' to those with moral dilemmas or anything other than mentioning money and stats and numbers.

Victim mentality lol - aside from a bit maybe, err guess what - we are victims !

The "you let me down" speech could be on the horizon lol

You should play Age of Empire using "financially-extorting" settings and then let me know how fair things turn out!

Or run your simulation with me via chat!

@leo Let me accept thinking about it
BUT suggest a way to keep some things going (at the same time as thinking about it)...,
WHICH IS:

- involving your local circle in a variety of ways (sub-suggestions are below)

- Encourage / Show them Mastodon (perhaps add accounts) for quality like-minded topics (for then discussing locally or participation themselves online more than mainstream twitter etc)

- collect a few usernames from Mastodon (I suggest myself or some others) so they can see those that are in the same field or topic VERY and practice higher level safer ping pong about topic about current creation of life using the system of behavioural patterns and things it's tied to.

For example see this thread which is showing people's view on what I started as topic
https://qoto.org/@freeschool/109001441003353628

I think increasingly comes back to thinking about these things now or later so better to align or test your community sooner to see what they think AND think for themself with others as practice for real life or on Mastodon more safely.
(a kind of 2-in-1 for the tech side creating an account for themselves and social side of interacting with others more logically)

- I would be happy to do a online chat too to introduce anything and you could also moderate / steer small meeting using Jitsi (I could be guest or moderate it with you)... I feel this is real 'live' work and can say more what I have done well or seen done well... it compliments and help to have more-distant people too but useful as external input as it allows reflection and contrast to existing perceptions without battle. It's also kind of like therapy in the way people are catching up with 10's of years of clever tricks and systems but also to see the patterns themselves and talk about it (not give all answers too fast)

What do you think about these things / could we test it and even have controlled group? Happy to audio chat anytime.

@raimondaslapinskas Ah dear, where to start.
I don't think I can convince you.

With still a warm heart I say that and I'm not wanting to make you into a shitposter but you short posts don't seem serious or even like they are considering points.... (I like shitposters actually for their responsiveness and more but that commonality you have asking endlessly is similar that you seem to constantly or more always miss doing some of the homework yourself or talking from yourself, your experience or picking apart the replies and using those points in the learning process. It's more of a you vs. me thing + others doing all the work + short TL;DR responses + and maybe you didn't get it fair enough... at least for now)

So anyway I think if nothing hits home already written then I go back to line 1 of this post that I don't know where to start.

My advice is have something from your own and my writing instead of (seemingly) assuming your existing stance and trying to force things incorrectly to and from that pipe... such as your last reply.
I could be wrong but I don't know what else to give you and I think you got best of me. For now just see what might fit itself into whatever logic you use about money not being a problem and evolve that
I'M CERTAIN MONEY IS A PROBLEM AND GIVEN YOU A LOT TO COUNTER THAT.
(ignoring major things that essentially contaminate everything we do doesn't work. Short text also doesn't work).

Governments do what we need to do (give to other people) but not by stealing and pocketing of our donations at the same time...
Right now we're anyway paying ourselves and others with our own energy... and funding the rich to oppress us.
So I suggest reducing the bad money people and holes in between, and more creating reasons to spread things among ourselves