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@sofia @luna @disco_coop ASKING FOR SOMETHING IN RETURN FOR WORK? (BUT NOT MONEY)

AND MAYBE SOME OTHER WAY?
(IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO TRY)

In similar debates *I think* all of us want for living and existing
BUT you're taking on much more than you understand *once you enter talking about money* and entering money into the equation is A BIG DIFFERENCE than 'return' to those who work for others,...

I believe anyway we do work and can *reduce* it much less (evident by the profit that is swallowed and even half could have gone to saving the next humans from working shitty job / healthcare) + money also involves other things connected to money itself run by the same for-self-profit government(s) who have all perfected the art of screwing or taxing to hell people (yes it's like a circular things when money by the bank and government AND is mostly a tool for taxing people and controlled interaction / transaction)... that was and is the main usage... if you think it's to keep you alive THINK again back to primitive days! You are there to make more wealth else worthless to any empire!

Anyway long list of things we need not debate but this notion of totally involving more people in between us and MORE THAN YOU THINK is the main point.

Banks ARE political for example
- they do choose who to give loans to including who NOT TO GIVE LOANS TO
- they are predatory / hungry to create more debt
- Debt is almost like a made up magic of 'pay me whatever I say' like a king or any bully would to stand your presence... it is not for preservation or any kind of 'sacred' human value... it's still in the area of "money or your life (health)" with softer pay-gates in between (before it was knock on door and baton over you head if you didn't pay).

OK OK THIS IS THE MAIN POINT:

Disassembling money gets us past arguing about money itself and SHOWS US THE PARTS UNDERNEATH in which we all agree or wish for as humans and can't escape... which could be:

- service to others
(none of us want to be along and like to give / be appreciated

- being fed

- having shelter

- respect

- self-determination

[again cut short this list to move on, remembering if we had the above WE WOULD NEED NEAR-0 / MUCH LESS MONEY!]

SO IN THAT IT'S A SELF-MADE PAY-SYSTEM like when kids say to each other - you have to pay me to walk past here (as simple as that, and yes we could build without this kind of 'payment system')... Paying mixes the paying of bullies (extortion, gang-like grouping) and also the material or labour payment...

MONEY IS THE MIX WHICH MAKES IT ALL GO WRONG AND EVEN TAKE ADVANTAGE AS WE SEE WITH FOOD, MEDICAL CARE, EVERYTHING BEING ROTTED OUT TO PAY FOR THE MAGIC DEBT CREATED BY BANK AND INTEREST ADDED ON TOP (like a fucked up game of you still have to pay me forever even if it's paying 100x more for this buildings cost and purely for greed until I die and my son takes over collecting from you)
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So once you see people say "yes" to money and think "we need it" BECAUSE OF THE COMPONENT PARTS then it's for us to think how to solve those parts

BUT (HERE'S THE CATCH)

THE EXISTING GAME HAS LEGAL CONDITIONS THAT WON'T LET YOU DO A LOT OF GOOD, HAS GUNS TO BACK ENFORCES WHO ARE 'JUST DOING THEIR JOB' AND HAVE NEAR-0 IDEAL OF ALL THE POLITICS (it would take years of study so that's how I judge that) and so quite ignorant muscle men or armed people are eventually called... or just you get penalty tickets for going 'against' the books of law incremented like rolling punched over the years to make sure nothing good survives but the will of government profit programs.

It's for the above, and you can see how an umbrella over that wouldn't matter to some people you listed MORE bad things - even if you said once a year someone shits on your doorstep BUT YOU GET TO LIVE... they would still do it / go along with this way...

...they might explain there's no other way and couldn't imagine the incremental force needed to get to where we are is similar to what could have been enforced for good to stay instead!

PEOPLE ARE ALSO IRONICALLY RIGHT - yes people are forced and "no other way literally" apart from the slow progress back to just "less profit" (not even 0, just not reaping people's energy so fast / raping them and leaving them to go home BROKEN)

OF COURSE with the will and effort in the same way we could lean things back the right way (at the least).... we're just not allowed THAT is the problem (we also jump rail tracks into pumping money and not realising that we are pumping debt at the same time!)

For those things that are priority to people, the 1st list is priority and the 2nd list is a lot less of a problem - for some people even the suffering of others is ok - someone has to pay in this mentality (in money or physically for their resources, or furthering control / political realms etc).
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IT WOULDN'T MATTER IF YOU SAID
- banks are private companies and regularly are allowed to rob the public honey pot (2008 banks said "we have no money" and government allowed taking from PUBLIC tax pots - oh well still people lived right?
But do think again that money = energy of people so they stole that like robbing honey from bees and expecting them to only get more - that's a type of violence...
When saying "money" it's "legalised robbery" and ok if it's normalise or done behind people's back.

When saying money is ok or neutral it's like saying banks are neutral, they are not supporting bad things... not increasing debt unnecessarily

- also government and banks do deals like 2 supermarket would do deals to be able to catch all the fish and benefit from doing near-0 work (the public does all the work AND pays for bad control / oppression without any power other than to pay for new people to do the same)

- list of scandals, crisis, all of which even if half were true would be a joke list on humanity and more of the same clever-primitive robbing and cloaking what we knew/know historically as bad handlers / responsible people / corporate criminals... whatever, almost any sector... just for profit and literally sucking life out of it

AT THE END...
We still need to come up with how we would run it now where global and boosted our number 300% in only 80ish years...
And even from scratch how do we do things as in playing an Age of Empires game, but without the force and wars on people...

SURELY PEOPLE WOULD WORK AND WANT TO PROVIDE FOR EACH OTHER MOSTLY?
(OR COULD BE MADE TO SEE ALL THE OTHER WAYS END UP IN ATTRITION / EVENTUAL SELF-DAMAGE AGAIN)

There is a difference between THE WILL OF BANKS AND GOVERNMENT vs. Allowing people to fix systems and do better... I DON'T BELIEVE BANKS OR THOSE IN POWER HAVE THE SLIGHTEST INTENTION TO REDUCE THEIR POWER OR EVEN ELIMINATE THEMSELVES FROM POWER IF IT EQUALISED OTHERS WITH A BETTER PLAN THAT KNOCKING EACH OTHER OVER THE HEAD (PHYSICALLY OR FINANCIALLY)

NOT BEING ABLE TO START A NEW SYSTEM OR OPEN DEBATE ABOUT IT IS ONE OF THE MAJOR PROBLEMS.
AND WHAT TO DO WHEN THOSE GETTING PAID DON'T CARE OR CARE MORE ABOUT THEIR OWN EXISTENCE NOW ALL THE SYSTEM IS BASED OFF THAT WAY WHERE IF YOU DON'T DO OR DON'T FOLLOW YOU START TO DIE / CAN'T PAY FOR STUFF / LIFE !?

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The first event this Saturday 10 September features Cooperation Jackson!

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Thank you for using filtered YouTube links!. . . 

@lightweight @thelinuxEXP

Mastodon users could follow this filtering process:

Just add any video ID at end of URL :

yewtu.be/watch?v=CVbABo0aXG4

or just surf yewtu.be for auto-filtered videos (no ads / no tracking)!

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@publicvoit That's what I was looking for. thank you.

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@publicvoit Doesn't really explain, more says how to filter Twitter... it's not the type of explanation why not to us Nitter... so that is what I am asking you -
why not use to filter Twitter AND get the same content?
That is the question here.

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@publicvoit SOME FEEDBACK

1. Personally think just name and link is rather bland and uninformative (not suer what others can make of it of like the mystery)

2. and then LINK being --> Nitter not twitter also would please me more... because that's part of Mastodon (which is not Twitter for that reason) so may I suggest for your followers and me (if I am to keep you on notifcation and not undo that in the few post I will keep an eye on) that you use for either of these links for the same page but filtered from adverts and tracking:

nitter.libresolutions.network/

or

nitter.snopyta.org/GhostPanthe

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SHORT POST ON LONG POSTS

Increasingly I think short _personal_ posts don't amount to much change or exploration between people... or short posts on other people's stuff also lacks a lot.

It works if there is already a level of understanding and progress made yes (including existing echo-chambers, computer-only stuff, people already awake or with similar conclusions).

But not enough edge there.

I'm not claiming long is best, just longer beats writing less or always short as it's much better towards improvement and change or many things.

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@LittleAlex @keith

short anwer: no.
long answer:

yewtu.be/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10

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The NES Gets its Own OS

hackaday.com/2022/09/28/the-ne

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@TinyHouse4Life@noagendasocial.com

Hi some page links to my garden posts/pic this year...

hazelnuts
qoto.org/@freeschool/109031196

apples
qoto.org/@freeschool/109020083

more apples + blending
qoto.org/@freeschool/109055123

apples end product
qoto.org/@freeschool/109031228
squash / pumpkin (info text / pic)
qoto.org/@freeschool/108562465

squash / pumpkin (growing to length-of-arm size or half a pallet!)
qoto.org/@freeschool/108811603

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@PiedraFiera Not saying various types of people don't exist or should but I think steadily the mediums we've been using and the original skills we had are decreasing example for others to learn based on what industry cuts out (the money line), even parents (the time they don't have) inside all this txt and more which isn't not enough to bring about training and change, warmth- occasional good examples exist or documentation for stuff but life isn't geared to this to start with (perhaps never was by default coming from more bone-head command and conquer styles of ordering people around)...

so though I could help with CW actually that can make it worse and some people wouldn't see pictures as a result and think it's porn/sensitive material and show even less words that might capture their imagination that reality is different to what they think and a lot more brutal)...

yes the CW title is nice to hide things but the title *isn't enough* sometimes... it's easy not to see the relativity.... a 'SHOW MORE' button would be great which is almost exactly CW basically... sure I'd try it often .... but still the *mentality* I think *of trying* to 'capture' someone's attention is because it's not part of their life (it's been designed out to talk about such things) and almost like teenagers even to pick a perfectly clean apple you just put on the floor is a mental struggle.

So I mean the long is fairly disgusting / distasteful... and maybe I'd rather leave it long for now to show more of the owrds (until show more button is developed as CW hurts me, people mentioned they can't see images so avoid it) but basically until people are actually interested it doesn't matter much what I do they are going to skip it (and skip difficult parts of like) altogether.

I do also consider most people here are coders or into binary type stuff so the social-techno stuff is not their job (literally and not voluntarily going to go into it).

I almost reject what you say about long posts, not be opposite you but think the reality is nearer that *nobody* wants to know those difficult psy-social problems and all those posts (it's too hard to think of solving life by incrementing until you die all that stuff back into better shape) and this is a result of a long line of efficiency cut out by thinking just like Capitalism or authority... "not worth my time" / "not my job"

If you consider things like money and how important it is, the damage / stealing it does, or even how banks are private enterprise running our lives... you can imagine that 'don't look up' or 'it's all a conspiracy thing' perspective is in the same way happening and accumulated to extraordinary ignoring of things.

So my rejection is based on nobody wants to start the long work of working it out. Hardly anyone.
And their time in 'job' and doing more of the same is just similar to banks and not the psychological or listening to others which is basically only going to get progress on longer and more problematic things made from lack of control + lack of consent + power struggles + price increases + lack of talking circles etc...
And to be fair I could also find that the other person listening also starts to scratch their own surface and their own problems and mini-demons might come out (this I think is one main reason people don't go their, they will too get excited / emotional / hyped and have to carry those feelings - FUCK THAT!
just HI, BYE, HAVE A NICE DAY will do for me and society!)

So clogging up people's screen is a proportionate ratio to what people are not doing, otherwise short would be working a whole lot better and we'd be happy as we wouldn't need to explain what the foundations of life all over... or the chains of design and the people actually mismanaging our energy and livelihoods...
they'd rather look at cat pictures - literally. Ok I'm being extreme here but at least an admin or two think money is ok (Stux) and such great people just so far out.
Gargron doesn't see problem with google links or see need to provide auto-embedded alternatives and these are all extreme perhaps or out of context but *in some way* shows how far out you can be but how advanced in other ways (a la society) and that is friggin dangerous / I feel threatened by that when it missed some vital things.

So while some medium-reading is done it's true for others that it's near impossible to do if it isn't in the design currently as whatever is designed goes. And eventually people consider it enough to send something short back like it's doing charity work. I get people who I have conversation with on what they want to talk about and completely dont' say why they don't answer the other mail or msgs and we have a on-going distant relationship like that somehow!!! (!) I guess they know what they like....

Unfortunately I don't think it's humanly enough or that many do the longer work consciously - and so try to take shortcuts with people on every level and can't accept they and others are diarrhea machines and until those main blocks of internal code are sorted, cleared and tested there is accumulation of ignoring things (perhaps partial definition to capitalism is ignoring things / not working on them at all)

I'd like to serve you something further from the above and a lot shorter but I think it's nearer by my observation and current patterns (such as people not making time for things ahead of f-ing up) that things can't be done that way and just the start honeymoon phases are nice... projects start going down at first problematic email etc and people can't even run any distance without collapsing / running away.

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teaching from scratch really keeps you grounded. what are the real barriers to a better digital world.

currently they include things like learning what a text editor is, what file extensions mean, what formats are, where code *is* and what is the difference between a language, syntax, compiler, binary anyway?

what am I even writing "in" and does that refer to the language or the syntax or the framework or whether I'm using a web or local editor?

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jonny

teaching ppl how to use computers from scratch is one of the most fulfilling things I know of, helping someone feel empowered through layers of systems that are designed to take their agency away, that they can do it too.

but it also reminds me how far we need to go to counteract all the adverse mental and binary programming that keeps that out of reach for most people without hand-to-hand teaching.

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“Peace manifests externally but begins internally--that is, in the thinking, idealism, and mental discipline of each individual. Peace must begin with the individual and work outward.” Ralph M. Lewis

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QUOTE / PROTEST

"It's time for a repeat in Canada ... but this time not just truckers, although they should lead & bring up the rear ... but also TENS OF THOUSANDS of every day Canadians in cars, trucks, buses, you name it. Is your country worth saving? You better act soon."
- Twitter User via Nitter Filter
nitter.libresolutions.network/

Something like this with cars, bikes, pedestrians etc:
qoto.org/@freeschool/107838684

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@abid I tried a bit with variations and didn't seem to show in preview... maybe show example please of what works with any profile

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SHORT POST ABOUT LONG POSTS

Basically the short version is

People will tend to ignore long posts (for various reasons). Sometimes chicken, sometimes overvaluing their time in constant TL;DR mode.
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LONGER PART ABOUT LONG POSTS

But at same time they might answer short posts with yes no answers never realising how question they have been ask might mean thing differently or answers without checking become cheaper the shorter the discussion is... what isn't discussion is often just authority or ultimatum or avoidance, fear, etc... unless you both know what you are talking about they you might miss points but seem to get the answers.

That's why sometimes you have to ask and work through it (together!). Humanity is not a simple one way only thing and practising also helps others (so no use if you are just goo by yourself or 1 or two people, you'd still have to mingle).

But the short answers *seem* to answer it but don't answer it if it needs depth or is relative in other ways.

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@st_in I'm genuinely interested in what you mean by fascists because I do get the general idea or even specifically some parts of what you mean but do you have your own definition overall or in the twitter context (maybe both would help) thanks

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"We now need a favourable single market for non-profit organisations – because we already have a very vibrant single market for harmful practices in democracy and civil society space."
- @martapardavi at twitter

I though this highlights efficiency is not everything and often people miss the point of doing things non-numbers based.

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