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@katoshi would be true...unless created and sold again by those same people (making it political still)...and also not possible without them and the things already put in place (empire).

So I guess I'd like to stick to this line to see where we get - as actually apart from things like matches and making your own wheel, which it's all near impossible, the controlled iteration feels deliberate without being too conspiritual (but yes they conspire- now more than ever as 'business' itself is about power / empires).

Any and every toy and tool can be / would be taken away if at all seen as any threat to power and control iterated by gov or banks.
(e.g. even matches, if it would change balance in power and freedom that much, it would be removed (or safety mechanism / another layer put on).

Indeed anything released to public, (if it encouraged more freedom most effectively) simply would be removed / not allowed / co-opted. Can't have risk to happen to their own self-given jobs of ruling / keeping power.

Much like all tech that has embedded seemingly these thoughts, we might only get democracy or voice AFTER political tech has been installed and and agreed.

Gov's would never let that happen.

Maybe makes sense put that way since we're born into each iteration of power and control and it seems we naturally wouldn't see the accumulative changes or intentions - the plans of power, let's say).

I accept more-neutral tech before or more innocence in the past (also from lack of access to modern techniques of exploitation) but now more than ever all processes have been corrupted (extremified, maximised, dug into etc, effected, steroided up etc.)

Kind of like salad that no longer touches any soil and is purely chemical fed. Just meanings have been lost so muvh more and more, though you might see and even think the taste of a salad. It almost isn't or provides less as biodiversity etc as it is grown and in other ways bad / negative (the sewage fir ecample) eventually becoming downfall of, well, humanity via tech itself (and waves of power-iterating people) doing things having lost sight of humanity from almost beginning.

Just less chance or space for neutrality is nearer today's reality. The focus as time goes on and development is all geared for other purposes already.

Who and what funds things is perhaps too hard to see and can make tech look innocent from the many default things underneath aforementioned.

Business often isn't well understood until it's too late snd your already in the shit.

And then it's hard sometimes to get out / quit because they thought of that too!

@katoshi Not sure if tech is neutral or having hard time thinking if it's not profit and regulations first AND THEN whatever on top (as long as primary forces are in place with profit and regulations).

Internet was commercialised - before it was a laughed at geeky dialup texty nerdy component soldering thing until bigboys / U$ Investment / vulture capitalism etc got involved and broadband.
Wasn't much respect for people or much money doing forums / dial-up file silos / meetup events, though the telephone backbone made it real cheap and even free locally.
Now look... just the neutrality by government or bank related things is usually pure filth first and then people can play around like it's neutral / be advertised to / harvested / laws subtly passed or forced.

No free lunch. We are lunch since it's inception made from innocent Tesla's who they would prefer resell / manipulate than give tech free / neutrally... or you think people still play nice / towards freedom or even gov × banks are neutral?

Successfully got a visible on the public Internet for the first time in a long time.

tunnels don't mess around yo.

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You are entering #zapatista territory

In rebellion the people here demand and the government obeys.

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@freemo I didn't mean that by what I said, though that might be one variety of respect.
I meant they can exist therefore get my respect or be acknowledge even in negative sense. Bad example might be respecting that Hitler or bad people manage to get people's vote somehow.
Don't have to like them.

@sgryphon @freemo
□Because of the encouragement to start using / communicating with those types of ma$$ive corporations around mostly those who wanted to escape them?

□Because of their past record / history / size / ability / threat / force in markets / existing info on us?

□Because corps don't care?

■To communicate while being undermined is not good.

■Less communication with Gmail the better in the sense of your text / communication being copied / offered up for harvest to them when you mail them (and your friend).

Do any of these hit home?

Burns: Well, everybody knows, ‘war is hell`

Hawkeye: War isn’t Hell. War is war, and Hell is Hell. And of the two, war is a lot worse.

Father Mulcahy: How do you figure that, Hawkeye?

Hawkeye: Easy, Father. Tell me, who goes to Hell?

Father Mulcahy: Um, sinners, I believe.

Hawkeye: Exactly. There are no innocent bystanders in Hell, but war is chock full of them – little kids, cripples, old ladies. In fact, except for a few of the brass, almost everybody involved is an innocent bystander.

-- MASH

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@freemo
I go further in respecting... I respect they exist as my default but then slide the slider down if it's really needed..

For example: I respect bastards are good at what they do but they don't respect me.

I respect others respect other things.
I don't need their respect conditionally to respect them.

Does that fit into one of the types of respect you mean?

To learn how to love and forget how to hate... 

...it's not too late, to learn how to love and forget how to hate...

- Ozzy Osbourne
(from song Crazy Train - Official Animated Video)

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And lyrics on screen here + cover version
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